Should A Cross Dressing Boy Be Allowed To Graduate As A Woman?

[The Man]

If one is registered as a boy at school..then graduate as a boy...I dont the school is asking to much here

 

[Accountable]

Because they are gay and feel like they relate more to females than males? Why do people take hormonal drugs to alter the sex?

I thought that's what rufies were for.
eta: Oh, and transvestites aren't necessarily gay.

If one is registered as a boy at school..then graduate as a boy...I dont the school is asking to much here

You're right, but neither would the boy be, really. As I said, the girls (butch lesbians) cut their hair short & wear a shirt & tie. Not a squeak from anybody. It's a small meaningless decision for the school that would mean the world for the student.

 

[The Man]

I thought that's what rufies were for.
eta: Oh, and transvestites aren't necessarily gay.

You're right, but neither would the boy be, really. As I said, the girls (butch lesbians) cut their hair short & wear a shirt & tie. Not a squeak from anybody. It's a small meaningless decision for the school that would mean the world for the student.

Unfair for sure then....make the girls wear the woman's attire for graduation as well.

 

[Accountable]

And Acc called me - a confirmed pinko Socialist Liberal, a bigot. LOL thats some funny shit right there. :24:

Bigot:
RandomHouse -a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Collins English Dictionary - a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

You fit the book definition to the letter. Intolerant of anyone and everyone who isn't the same type of "pinko Socialist Liberal" as you think yourself to be.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Bigot:
RandomHouse -a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Collins English Dictionary - a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

You fit the book definition to the letter. Intolerant of anyone and everyone who isn't the same type of "pinko Socialist Liberal" as you think yourself to be.

So by your definition, anyone who disagrees with a libertarian who has a federal government pension, free government health care for life, a state government job with a future additional government pension, who thinks nobody else should have universal health care is a bigot?

So to summarize, disagreeing with a hypocrite makes one a bigot? Makes perfect sense in an oxymorinic way.

 

[Joe the meek]

Why should one have to know the history?....Isnt that sort of a violation in itself..calling the prior school and asking if the student was gay?
Which would be a matter of opinion of the other person on the line.
Why would being gay require professional help?...If being gay causes one to seek professional help..why promote it?

Funny

First you ask how would you know the history and then you comment why should one have to know the history? Can you make up your mind LOL

I would guess the student wouldn't mind you asking their previous school about their behavior if you were considering allowing their request, don't you think?

As far as "professional help" goes, I have no clue at what age someone might consider themselves gay. I see nothing wrong seeking professional help and would promote children under age who think they may be homosexual to seek professional help not to change their mind about what they are thinking, but to have a better understanding of their own feelings.

Let's face it, it's not exactly a piece of cake for young people in our society to come out and tell people they are gay.

 

[AUDRAA]

I think there are alot of assumptions being made here without knowing all the facts. Although I feel it necessary to point out the fact that Dana you did not say the student was gay to begin with, are you just assuming that? Not all cross dressers are gay. Also another assumption on your part is that people who are having a sex change are gay also which is untrue.
My opinion is if the students are wearing a gown nobody is going to know what he is wearing under it anyway so I dont know what the school is having such a fit about to begin with. Like someone else said, was he allowed to crossdress all year? If so why all the sudden is it not ok now but was fine all year long when you wouldnt even be able to tell what he was wearing in this instance because of the gown.
Some of you mention dress code is there really a dress code that says girls must dress a certian way, in a dress for example, and boys must wear a suit?
I think this person may have a discrimination law suit on their hands if you ask me because who is he hurting? ABSOLUTLY NOBODY!!!!

 

[Accountable]

Let's face it, it's not exactly a piece of cake for young people in our society to come out and tell people they are gay.

That's not my experience, not these days. Kids I encounter don't seem to have an issue with it at all, by and large.

 

[Accountable]

Some of you mention dress code is there really a dress code that says girls must dress a certian way, in a dress for example, and boys must wear a suit?

I just pulled this off the web at random. Not sure what school it's from but it seems pretty typical.

DRESS CODE FOR GRADUATION CEREMONY
A. All seniors must wear appropriate dress under their gowns to participate in the formal
graduation ceremony.
B. Appropriate dress will include the following:
1. Girls: dress, skirt/slacks and blouse. No tank tops, halter tops, shorts, or bathing suits
will be allowed. No bare feet, sneakers/athletic shoes, or boots will be allowed.
2. Boys: slacks, shirt with a collar, shoes. No tank tops, t-shirts, shorts, or bathing suits will
be allowed. No bare feet, sneakers/athletic shoes, or boots will be allowed.
C. Class advisors and/or administrators will only allow properly attired students into the
gymnasium for the procession to graduation. Students without proper attire will be turned
away, their diplomas will be removed from those to be distributed at the ceremony and will
be available for pickup at the main office in the high school on the next work day after
graduation.

http://www.chariho.k12.ri.us/sites/default/files/dress-code-graduation.pdf

 

[The Man]

Funny

First you ask how would you know the history and then you comment why should one have to know the history? Can you make up your mind LOL

I would guess the student wouldn't mind you asking their previous school about their behavior if you were considering allowing their request, don't you think?

As far as "professional help" goes, I have no clue at what age someone might consider themselves gay. I see nothing wrong seeking professional help and would promote children under age who think they may be homosexual to seek professional help not to change their mind about what they are thinking, but to have a better understanding of their own feelings.

Let's face it, it's not exactly a piece of cake for young people in our society to come out and tell people they are gay.

Correct as it was mentioned to go off of the child's history..thus I said how would we know the childs history.
As yes...why should we have to know the childs history...a childs history shouldnt dictate dress code..a childs history should be according to dress code.

But from what I am reading the women are allowed to dress{have been allowed} as they wish..so this kid does have a legitimate complaint.
But then when I read Accountables post that has guidelines for typical dress code...the school is enforcing code.
But then again does this particular school enforce the rules for boys and girls both{which they should}...jus dont have enough information.
But my position is to enforce them for all equally.

 

[Jezzebelle]

I think there are alot of assumptions being made here without knowing all the facts. Although I feel it necessary to point out the fact that Dana you did not say the student was gay to begin with, are you just assuming that? Not all cross dressers are gay. Also another assumption on your part is that people who are having a sex change are gay also which is untrue.
My opinion is if the students are wearing a gown nobody is going to know what he is wearing under it anyway so I dont know what the school is having such a fit about to begin with. Like someone else said, was he allowed to crossdress all year? If so why all the sudden is it not ok now but was fine all year long when you wouldnt even be able to tell what he was wearing in this instance because of the gown.
Some of you mention dress code is there really a dress code that says girls must dress a certian way, in a dress for example, and boys must wear a suit?
I think this person may have a discrimination law suit on their hands if you ask me because who is he hurting? ABSOLUTLY NOBODY!!!!

Yes, thank you. Transgender is about your own sexual identity... which has nothing to do with your sexual orientation.

 

[The Man]

I think there are alot of assumptions being made here without knowing all the facts. Although I feel it necessary to point out the fact that Dana you did not say the student was gay to begin with, are you just assuming that? Not all cross dressers are gay. Also another assumption on your part is that people who are having a sex change are gay also which is untrue.
My opinion is if the students are wearing a gown nobody is going to know what he is wearing under it anyway so I dont know what the school is having such a fit about to begin with. Like someone else said, was he allowed to crossdress all year? If so why all the sudden is it not ok now but was fine all year long when you wouldnt even be able to tell what he was wearing in this instance because of the gown.
Some of you mention dress code is there really a dress code that says girls must dress a certian way, in a dress for example, and boys must wear a suit?
I think this person may have a discrimination law suit on their hands if you ask me because who is he hurting? ABSOLUTLY NOBODY!!!!

I think there are alot of assumptions being made here without knowing all the facts. Although I feel it necessary to point out the fact that Dana you did not say the student was gay to begin with

Should it matter?..special rules for gays?

Also another assumption on your part is that people who are having a sex change are gay also which is untrue.

Not sure what this in relation to..but I strongly disagree.
If a man gets his stuff cut off and turned into a vagina to get poked by a man...he is gay...if not he should be denied the operation.

My opinion is if the students are wearing a gown nobody is going to know what he is wearing under it anyway so I dont know what the school is having such a fit about to begin with.

Some clothes is visible

Like someone else said, was he allowed to crossdress all year?

The graduation dress code is clear however.

Some of you mention dress code is there really a dress code that says girls must dress a certian way, in a dress for example, and boys must wear a suit?
I think this person may have a discrimination law suit on their hands if you ask me because who is he hurting? ABSOLUTLY NOBODY

Dress codes for functions are typical....just depends on the occasion...from prom to band

 

[AnitaBeer]

As mentioned previously, and I know this for a fact, not all cross dressers are gay. Just because they feel more womanly/manly so they chose to dress the way they feel best does not mean they are gay at all.
It is possible this person is gay, but we do not know that and it really doesn't matter simply because this is over how they want to dress, not their sexual preferences.

It's also been mentioned that if they are wearing a gown why does it matter as long as they are dressed under that gown?

 

[The Man]

As mentioned previously, and I know this for a fact, not all cross dressers are gay. Just because they feel more womanly/manly so they chose to dress the way they feel best does not mean they are gay at all.
It is possible this person is gay, but we do not know that and it really doesn't matter simply because this is over how they want to dress, not their sexual preferences.

It's also been mentioned that if they are wearing a gown why does it matter as long as they are dressed under that gown?

If a man wanted to feel womanly isnt it fair to say they are gay?....or at least present themselves as gay?

 

[Jezzebelle]

No, that has to do with how you feel, personally. Your sexual identity. It has nothing to do with who you're attracted to, or your sexual orientation. It's 2 completely separate things.

 

[The Man]

No, that has to do with how you feel, personally. Your sexual identity. It has nothing to do with who you're attracted to, or your sexual orientation. It's 2 completely separate things.

So you are saying a man can have a misplaced sexual identity and not be gay?...If a man wants to be a woman that is considered gay by most standards.
So if a guy has a misplaced sexual identity and wanted to be a woman but still chose to sleep with women...he would be gay..because he is now living his misplaced identity{a woman}

 

[Jezzebelle]

So you are saying a man can have a misplaced sexual identity and not be gay?...If a man wants to be a woman that is considered gay by most standards.
So if a guy has a misplaced sexual identity and wanted to be a woman but still chose to sleep with women...he would be gay..because he is now living his misplaced identity{a woman}

Yes, they're not dependent on each other. What you feel like you are as a person, doesn't have to do with what you're attracted to. There have be tons of stories done on men or women who later in life (married, have children, etc.) have to come to terms with how they really feel about themselves and thus began the process of becoming transgender. In almost all the cases, their spouse supports them and they stayed married, because regardless of who they are (or becoming) they are still attracted to and love their spouse.

 

[Accountable]

If a man wanted to feel womanly isnt it fair to say they are gay?....or at least present themselves as gay?

Shit ain't that easy anymore, is it?

 

[The Man]

Yes, they're not dependent on each other. What you feel like you are as a person, doesn't have to do with what you're attracted to. There have be tons of stories done on men or women who later in life (married, have children, etc.) have to come to terms with how they really feel about themselves and thus began the process of becoming transgender. In almost all the cases, their spouse supports them and they stayed married, because regardless of who they are (or becoming) they are still attracted to and love their spouse.

If a man identifies himself as a woman and sleeps with a woman he is gay or least bisexual.

 

[The Man]

Shit ain't that easy anymore, is it?

Sort of a have cake and want to eat it to situation