Selective Patriotism

[kelvin070]

unless you have shares in Halliburton Group Inc

You need to be a friendly sniper too before u can own shares in Halliburton Group

 

[KpAtch3s]

Banning chewing gums is better than going on a wild goose chase for Osama Bin Laden in the mountains and caves of Afghanistan:24:

So if Obama woops I mean Osama managed to crash several 747's into some buildings in Singapore and killed several thousand people we'll just ban chewing gum rather than help you chase Osama through Afghanistan. Apparently it's just a wild goose chase and those several thousand people that may be friends and family deserve no revenge for an unprovoked attack.

 

[kelvin070]

So if Obama woops I mean Osama managed to crash several 747's into some buildings in Singapore and killed several thousand people we'll just ban chewing gum rather than help you chase Osama through Afghanistan. Apparently it's just a wild goose chase and those several thousand people that may be friends and family deserve no revenge for an unprovoked attack.

LMAO, you need to proact. Don't wait till several 747s crash into WTC before setting up Homeland Security Department and then 90,000 US and NATO troops chasing after Osama and some Talibans in Afghanistan:24:. US soldiers know nuts abt fighting in the mountains and state of the art weaponary is useless in the mountains.

 

[Accountable]

What is your proposed alternative? BTW we never all agree on anything. The country runs under a majority rule concept. Right now the majority has rejected pro-business-only conservative bull shit..

Oh really? Didn't the current gov't dump billions upon billions to help big business, and cut medicaid & medicare to help pay for it?

There's not a hair's breadth of real difference between Bush and Obama. Same goals; different rhetoric.

 

[dt3]

LMAO, you need to proact. Don't wait till several 747s crash into WTC before setting up Homeland Security Department and then 90,000 US and NATO troops chasing after Osama and some Talibans in Afghanistan:24:. US soldiers know nuts abt fighting in the mountains and state of the art weaponary is useless in the mountains.

Proactive? The way Singapore was with the chewing gum, right?


And your last sentence shows just how little of a clue you have about our military.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

If you believe in the political system, regardless of how ineffective you think it is, it matters because the people in government are passing the laws and regulations we live under.

Were not choosing the 'people'. It doesn't matter if he's republican or democratic, because he was still probably bought by a big group like Monsanto. Which means he is still passing laws for corporations and not for the people. It doesn't matter who you voted for because they are all corrupt, and probably all going to just as shitty of a job as the next corrupt politician would have.

 

[kelvin070]

Proactive? The way Singapore was with the chewing gum, right?


And your last sentence shows just how little of a clue you have about our military.

What so great about your military? Iraq and Afghanistan is another vietnam. Insurgency is on the rise and US and British casualities are mounting in Afghanistan. Superpower at what cost? Whats the opportunity cost? You gonna make your presence felt in N. Korea and Iran? You can hav nukes and other's can't????:24:

 

[dt3]

What so great about your military? Iraq and Afghanistan is another vietnam. Insurgency is on the rise and US and British casualities are mounting in Afghanistan. Superpower at what cost? Whats the opportunity cost? You gonna make your presence felt in N. Korea and Iran? You can hav nukes and other's can't????:24:

If Iraq is another Vietnam, then how come the violence has been dropping for well over a year and is now at a 6 year low? How come we've been able to turn over the majority of the work to the Iraqi Army and Police? How come we've successfully pulled our troops out of the major cities, and closed dozens of bases completely?

And yes, we can have nukes. And no, Iran and North Korea cannot have nukes. NK is already threatening nuclear war, and Iran has vowed to destroy Israel if they get nukes. Not to mention they're both state sponsors of terrorism. I don't know about you, but I'm morally opposed to the idea of Al Qaeda and other like-minded groups have ready access to nuclear weapons.

 

[kelvin070]

If Iraq is another Vietnam, then how come the violence has been dropping for well over a year and is now at a 6 year low? How come we've been able to turn over the majority of the work to the Iraqi Army and Police? How come we've successfully pulled our troops out of the major cities, and closed dozens of bases completely?

And yes, we can have nukes. And no, Iran and North Korea cannot have nukes. NK is already threatening nuclear war, and Iran has vowed to destroy Israel if they get nukes. Not to mention they're both state sponsors of terrorism. I don't know about you, but I'm morally opposed to the idea of Al Qaeda and other like-minded groups have ready access to nuclear weapons.

Dont be deceived by the drop in violence. The violence although dropped will never end in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why is Obama increasing troops in Afghanistan???

 

[dt3]

Dont be deceived by the drop in violence. The violence although dropped will never end in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why is Obama increasing troops in Afghanistan???

Believe it or not, he didn't consult me first If I had to guess, I'd say he's following recent history and sees how well it worked in Iraq.

Since you're an expert on our military, maybe you could explain to me what "state of the art" weapons don't work in the mountains? And since you brought it up, could you also detail to me how our military's mountain training is insufficient?

 

[kelvin070]

Believe it or not, he didn't consult me first If I had to guess, I'd say he's following recent history and sees how well it worked in Iraq.

Since you're an expert on our military, maybe you could explain to me what "state of the art" weapons don't work in the mountains? And since you brought it up, could you also detail to me how our military's mountain training is insufficient?

For your info the only suitable weapon in the mountains of Afghanistan is the drone. You guys are lame ducks at the mountains.

 

[dt3]

Try to see if you can follow the conversation here.

You said:

US soldiers know nuts abt fighting in the mountains and state of the art weaponary is useless in the mountains.

Then I asked:

Since you're an expert on our military, maybe you could explain to me what "state of the art" weapons don't work in the mountains? And since you brought it up, could you also detail to me how our military's mountain training is insufficient?

Then you said:

For your info the only suitable weapon in the mountains of Afghanistan is the drone. You guys are lame ducks at the mountains.

You didn't answer my question. What state of the art weaponry does not work in the mountains? I didn't ask you what does work. I want you to back up your claims. Tell me what state of the art weaponry does not work in the mountain regions of Afghanistan.

 

[kelvin070]

Try to see if you can follow the conversation here.

You said:

Then I asked:

Then you said:

You didn't answer my question. What state of the art weaponry does not work in the mountains? I didn't ask you what does work. I want you to back up your claims. Tell me what state of the art weaponry does not work in the mountain regions of Afghanistan.

LMAO. You make a good cross-examiner:24:

 

[kelvin070]

Your honour, objection!!!

 

[Accountable]

You pulled the thread off-topic. The least you could do is answer the fucking question.

 

[kelvin070]

You pulled the thread off-topic. The least you could do is answer the fucking question.

Remember my nick name here? Its 'cut and crap asshole'

 

[Minor Axis]

Oh really? Didn't the current gov't dump billions upon billions to help big business, and cut medicaid & medicare to help pay for it?

There's not a hair's breadth of real difference between Bush and Obama. Same goals; different rhetoric.

I said pro-business-only. So you think Bush was still there, he'd be fighting for universal health care? So much for your deductive reasoning.

 

[Minor Axis]

Were not choosing the 'people'. It doesn't matter if he's republican or democratic, because he was still probably bought by a big group like Monsanto. Which means he is still passing laws for corporations and not for the people. It doesn't matter who you voted for because they are all corrupt, and probably all going to just as shitty of a job as the next corrupt politician would have.

I disagree with you because despite what you and others have said about them "all being the same", in an election, most of us, if we vote, in most cases make a choice based on political philosophy. Are they all owned by corporations? I'd say there are different levels of ownership depending on the party you pick. You are not an anarchist are you?

"All being the same" is what some conservatives use to rationalize the disaster of the Bush Presidency.

 

[Alien Allen]

Conservatives and Bush are like oil and water. He was no conservative and neither was the republican congress.

Sure different parties can have agendas that have effect. But the bottom line is the politicians are bought and paid for by somebody long before they get to DC.

And they will do the finger test to see which way the wind of public discontent is moving to control how far off the deep end they will go. You can bet in 3 years if the economy is still in the tank and Obamas proven to be a disaster that the left will dump him. We are no where near as liberal a nation as the democrats think they are. California the bastion of liberal lunacy recently proved that at the ballot box.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I disagree with you because despite what you and others have said about them "all being the same", in an election, most of us, if we vote, in most cases make a choice based on political philosophy. Are they all owned by corporations? I'd say there are different levels of ownership depending on the party you pick. You are not an anarchist are you?

"All being the same" is what some conservatives use to rationalize the disaster of the Bush Presidency.

I am most definitely not an anarchist! I am just fed up with what we are argueing and caring about. It hardly matters anymore who you choose, because they are owned by the same people with the same agenda's. Some might be owned less or care more about people, but we shouldn't be having to decide who is the least owned by horrible groups of people such as Monsanto, we should be finding people that aren't owned by anyone. But instead of finding these people, we are stuck in a debate over the 'lesser evil' while the media continues to hide the people we should be voting for.