Selective Patriotism

[Minor Axis]

Remember the good ole days when the war was hot, we were kicking the snot out of a foreign dictator, all the connected companies were robbing the U.S Treasury, banks were handing out money to anyone with a pulse, Executives were living large, Bush and company was taking the country to the edge in the name of good ole greed. And the Republican Party and most conservatives, thought if you did not in your heart believe in torture for the collective security, have you car adorned with an American Flag and several ribbon icons, you just weren't patriotic?

What a change since January. All the patriots are now the rebels. I guess it's just patriotism as they define it, it's only worth while when the government is making all the mistakes they refused to acknowledge as mistakes but helped their political goals (at the time). And most of all, all those people they were looking down upon who did not support the biggest mistakes of our lifetime. It's more than a bit hypocritical don't you think?

 

[Staci]

again i just LOVE how you group all of "us" together

 

[Minor Axis]

again i just LOVE how you group all of "us" together

There may have been Republicans and Conservatives who were against or at least not happy with all the wrong things that happened under Bush's watch but they remained silent on the sidelines, no? I don't remember anyone in those two groups jumping up and down and advertising it to the world, because when you have the upper hand politically, then oh well, at least our party is in power.

Honestly I could say this about humans in general... if that makes you feel any better. In a year or three I could be saying that about the Democrats.

 

[dt3]

Patriotism is supposed to be a loyalty to your country, not a political party.

 

[Alien Allen]

Patriotism is supposed to be a loyalty to your country, not a political party.

Sadly that does not seem to be the case for way too many. I have voted for democrats. I have voted for more republicans over the years but I am fed up with them. So I try to find libertarians that are worth voting for and giving them my vote. I realize they will not get elected but my hope is that others start to wake up and look at alternatives to the two parties. They really are political blood suckers and we are being drained, drip by drip

 

[Minor Axis]

Patriotism is supposed to be a loyalty to your country, not a political party.

The problem is how everyone defines "loyal", large groups of citizens disagree on the definition. If I disagreed with the Iraq War someone is going to call me disloyal. And look, we have a new President and all the conservative pundits are certainly not sounding very loyal these days...

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

The problem is how everyone defines "loyal", large groups of citizens disagree on the definition. If I disagreed with the Iraq War someone is going to call me disloyal. And look, we have a new President and all the conservative pundits are certainly not sounding very loyal these days...

He's supposed to be the leader of the free world (Fixing to be for sale of course)

They certainly are sensitive to criticism. I'm done debating with people about it, I didn't like Bush either, but the Dems had one person to blame for that, Al Gore. Nuff said.

If you're anywhere close to fucking intelligent and you cannot see us going down a bad road, then I got nothing left to say about it. I'll see you on the other side. The good news is this:

I own everything, cars both my homes.....I can afford to lose my job.....

So everyone that voted for that guy, I hope your happy with mediocrity, because the days of prosperity are behind us.

 

[Tim]

So everyone that voted for that guy, I hope your happy with mediocrity, because the days of prosperity are behind us.

What exactly has changed to effect your potential prosperity?

I don't see any new roadblocks that might interfere with my ability to make as much money as I can.

So why do you think the days of prosperity are gone?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

What exactly has changed to effect your potential prosperity?

I don't see any new roadblocks that might interfere with my ability to make as much money as I can.

So why do you think the days of prosperity are gone?

Actually Tim (by the way...you never call) What my wife and I realized is we are really set up perfectly.

The government really cannot hurt us at all.....It would appear that I have emassed quite a bit of wealth over the years.

However, here are some roadblocks, and a few I know for certain are going to stifle the economy:

Cap and Trade: Do you honestly think a company will continue to do business here with an additional 5 billion in taxes? (I'm using my company as an example, that's a real figure) Nope, they will take that same facility and for 1 billion, they could build it in......let's say.....China...Like Exxon is doing, and pay no taxes, get labor for almost nothing, no OSHA, no EPA...And now thay can make even MORE money.

FYI, I got offered 4 times my current salary to go to China and help Exxon....That's what the future hold for my industry Tim.

Auto industry: GM 60% owned by the government, and I shouldn't even have to make a joke about that. Chrysler owned by Fiat Because they are such globally recognized leaders in innovation

The auto industry is going down Tim, and with that trickle down effect taking down small businesses with it

This administration is full scale fighting the class war, they fired the first shot at the energy industry because it's simple, they want us gone so they can plant windmills.

And I'll be honest I hope they do, because every other company that supports the energy industry will have to follow...You have any idea the impact on the economy Tim? In tax base alone?

I've been sitting in economics meetings with our executive board Tim...I see the future

If you don't think that alone is a roadblock...I got nothing

 

[Alien Allen]

Utterly amazing the damage cap and trade will do. Tis mind boggling such moronic ideas take root but then people asked for change. Just wait til it hits their pocket books. In a day and age where everything is getting outsourced yet the morons on the left got such a green hard on they have no clue how much more this will do to drain the economy along with our wallets. All with little to show for it as far as results. Used to be until the 60's most people had a tv antenna on their roof. Guess we better upgrade the mounts for the wind mills in their place. Lunacy

 

[skyblue]

i'm going to learn how to deliver an amazing speech so i can be president one day

 

[Minor Axis]

So everyone that voted for that guy, I hope your happy with mediocrity, because the days of prosperity are behind us.

So you think the former Administration and business climate under Bush has had no effect on our future prosperity? Come on, if the days of prosperity are behind us it's because a critical mass of corporate leadership were more worried about enriching themselves, than making their companies more prosperous, and took the country to the edge. It's taking billions to fix it so sure give them a pass...

 

[kelvin070]

Patriotism should not be linked to politics. Patriotism and passion should prevail through thick and thin.

 

[kelvin070]

Just wondering when will you guys stop bickering, pick up the pieces and move on to rebuild the economy. All is not gloomy - there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[kelvin070]

I have a quote for all those Obama haters. "What is this fury about? In his scant 145 days in office, the new president has not remotely matched the Bush record in deficit creation. Nor has he repealed the right to bear arms or exacerbated the wars he inherited. He has tried more than his predecessor ever did to reach across the aisle. But none of that seems to matter. A sizable minority of Americans is irrationally fearful of the fast-moving generational, cultural and racial turnover Obama embodies — indeed, of the 21st century itself. That minority is now getting angrier in inverse relationship to his popularity with the vast majority of the country. Change can be frightening and traumatic, especially if it’s not change you can believe in."
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14rich.html?_r=1

 

[Alien Allen]

I have a quote for all those Obama haters. "What is this fury about? In his scant 145 days in office, the new president has not remotely matched the Bush record in deficit creation. Nor has he repealed the right to bear arms or exacerbated the wars he inherited. He has tried more than his predecessor ever did to reach across the aisle. But none of that seems to matter. A sizable minority of Americans is irrationally fearful of the fast-moving generational, cultural and racial turnover Obama embodies — indeed, of the 21st century itself. That minority is now getting angrier in inverse relationship to his popularity with the vast majority of the country. Change can be frightening and traumatic, especially if it’s not change you can believe in."
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14rich.html?_r=1

That is some funny shit there I tells ya :24:

No he has not matched the deficit spending he has quadrupled it :24:

I guess the writer missed the added troops going to Afghanistan to :24:

He reached across the aisle ? Oh really :eek Must have been at the local Burger King to ask for salt.

Change is frightening when the guy in charge is clueless and unqualified

 

[USF Sam]

Change is frightening when the guy in charge is clueless and unqualified

That was exact same thing I was thinking too...












as soon as Bush Junior hit the White House.

 

[kelvin070]

You guys are jumping the gun. Just give him a time frame till at least mid-way through his tenure.

 

[sierrabravo]

he promised to fix the economy and save like 600,000 jobs. when the hell is that going to happen, after his 12 press conferences about what he will do? *smile mr president photo op*

 

[ssl]

question: why did the markets tank... just before bush left office?

besides leaving his buddies happy with bailout bonuses, he left the next administration even more broke (even after having left the oval)