Save Gaza !

[groundpounder]

no name calling, y'all.

 

[deep impact]

There is no war in Gaza. There is massacre. Many people especially women, children and innocents are dying under Israel's bombs. Is it important that who fired first ?

There is a reality that 500 person are dead now.

is Israel right ? Israel is never right because they have occupied palestinian's area. after that there are blood at that area.

Israel is never right. They are inhumanity.

You mustnt kill babies, women and innocent people. but Israel are killing every alive.

 

[groundpounder]

Is it important that who fired first ?

probably

 

[deep impact]

probably

by this way, we must look at history. Israel occupied palestians country. so Israel is always wrong.

 

[Anie]

by this way, we must look at history. Israel occupied palestians country. so Israel is always wrong.

Not like they had a choice of where else to go

 

[Ashl33]

never ending battle.
they bomb them.
opposing team bombs back.
horrible.
its reality and will it ever change?
uhhhh nnoooo!
so dont live there and live with reality

 

[groundpounder]

by this way, we must look at history. Israel occupied palestians country. so Israel is always wrong.

so if there's a cease fire, then someone violates that, then whoever fired the first shot in the conflict BEFORE the ceasefire is in the wrong, even if they didn't violate the ceasefire?

SO, if the US decides to re-bomb Hiroshima, then that's OK since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941?

 

[All Else Failed]

There is also another aspect to all of this.


IF there is some sort of strategy behind Hams launching rockets into Israel, it is for provocation. The rockets do not really harm Israel that much, nor its infrastructure, so I think its obviously a tactic to draw Israel into another armed conflict in order to strengthen the views of people who dislike Israel around the world. I mean, Hamas got elected through the low views of the Palestinians of the Jews, so this will only harden their resolve against Israel. This will do nothing but add to the ranks of Hamas.

 

[Minor Axis]

Israel has proven for half a century that tit for tat does not work if your goal is peace. I imagine the majority of Israelis are sick of ongoing conflict. Not to say they are the only ones to blame. There are definitely forces on the other side who want the conflict to go forever and are doing everything thing they can see that happen.

 

[Hoffa]

There is also another aspect to all of this.


IF there is some sort of strategy behind Hams launching rockets into Israel, it is for provocation. The rockets do not really harm Israel that much, nor its infrastructure, so I think its obviously a tactic to draw Israel into another armed conflict in order to strengthen the views of people who dislike Israel around the world. I mean, Hamas got elected through the low views of the Palestinians of the Jews, so this will only harden their resolve against Israel. This will do nothing but add to the ranks of Hamas.

You have a very good point . The Qassam rockets are more like dangerous fireworks { and kill and injure about the same } than a military weapon . They are a joke , unless in a very rare case --you happen to be unlucky!.
They cannot be even be considered a military weapon , more a political one --provocation as you say.
The figures are only a guess , but approx 2700+ of these things have been set off since 2001.
They are homemade , unguided , with little bang when they arrive at a destination --somewhere !.
I have read that 15 people have been killed since 2001 --with nearly 3000 missiles !. Probably that many killed making them .
I know they set off thirty of them the other day without hitting anything .
My point is not to say shooting these things in the air cannot cause damage or kill /injure , just to give people an idea of what threat these "missiles" really are .
It has to be provocation the purpose , you cant hardly kill anyone with them unless you are "lucky". The Israeli response is what they want -IMO. >f

 

[Minor Axis]

This kind of headline does not help Israel's cause. They are generating more enemies than killing enemies.

 

[Meirionnydd]

the simple fact is israel was attacked and they responded. there is no such thing as responding with too much force a goverment has a responsibility to protect its citizens. southern israel was recieving incoming rocket attacks daily since the 2005 cease fire recently it increased from approximately a dozen a day to over 2000 rocket attacks per day.

Uh... Wait, what? Do you mean like, 2000 rockets being launched at Isreal per day? Because I think someone might be slightly wrong with their facts.

You know, the kind of wrong where you overestimate the number of rockets being fired at Isreal per day by over, well, almost 2000.

can you give any examples to support your argument or are you just listening to liberal media?

Yes, yes the liberal media. Sorry, I'll go right back to the front page of the New York Post (As soon as I get past all the celeb articles) and the Washington Times.

I don't really see how any person can make any distinction between 'liberal' and 'conservative' US press when it comes to coverage of any Isreali conflict... All seem to unequivocally in support of Isreal.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Here's my question.....Isreal is outnumbered 700 to 1

If those who hate them really want the land back.....Why don't they step up and try invading rather than being chicken shit about it?

My guess is because they know they'd get their asses handed to them, so instead they play this "We will suicide bomb you and hand grenade you..simply to make the whole world hate you"

Here's what I say, the "Upstanding muslims" need to step up and tell Hamas and all these fucking satchel charge toting wing nuts to cease and desist then talk to Isreal about peace.

My guess is s acease fire ha to be obeyed by both sides...But what happens is the Palestinians say "We want peace"

"We will continue to fund Hamas.....But we want peace...and we shold be able to suicide bomb whom ever we wish...it's written by allah"

There is no such thing as "Overyl aggressive" in a war, war is about overpowering and domination.

The problem with war is mass media

 

[jctauss]

Uh... Wait, what? Do you mean like, 2000 rockets being launched at Isreal per day? Because I think someone might be slightly wrong with their facts.

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yes 2000 a day, check it out before you argue. this arent like intercontinental ballistic missiles they are rather small but can be very damaging

 

[jctauss]

There is no such thing as "Overyl aggressive" in a war, war is about overpowering and domination.

The problem with war is mass media

Exactly.

 

[Alien Allen]

Here's my question.....Isreal is outnumbered 700 to 1

If those who hate them really want the land back.....Why don't they step up and try invading rather than being chicken shit about it?

My guess is because they know they'd get their asses handed to them, so instead they play this "We will suicide bomb you and hand grenade you..simply to make the whole world hate you"

Here's what I say, the "Upstanding muslims" need to step up and tell Hamas and all these fucking satchel charge toting wing nuts to cease and desist then talk to Isreal about peace.

My guess is s acease fire ha to be obeyed by both sides...But what happens is the Palestinians say "We want peace"

"We will continue to fund Hamas.....But we want peace...and we shold be able to suicide bomb whom ever we wish...it's written by allah"

There is no such thing as "Overyl aggressive" in a war, war is about overpowering and domination.

The problem with war is mass media

:homo: :nod: :thumbup

 

[Mystic]

Here's my question.....Isreal is outnumbered 700 to 1

If those who hate them really want the land back.....Why don't they step up and try invading rather than being chicken shit about it?

My guess is because they know they'd get their asses handed to them, so instead they play this "We will suicide bomb you and hand grenade you..simply to make the whole world hate you"

Here's what I say, the "Upstanding muslims" need to step up and tell Hamas and all these fucking satchel charge toting wing nuts to cease and desist then talk to Isreal about peace.

My guess is s acease fire ha to be obeyed by both sides...But what happens is the Palestinians say "We want peace"

"We will continue to fund Hamas.....But we want peace...and we shold be able to suicide bomb whom ever we wish...it's written by allah"

There is no such thing as "Overyl aggressive" in a war, war is about overpowering and domination.

The problem with war is mass media

excellent post...agreed:thumbup:nod::homo:

 

[Meirionnydd]

If those who hate them really want the land back.....Why don't they step up and try invading rather than being chicken shit about it?

Yes, I can just imagine now, the Qassam Brigades armed with their ever advanced home-made rockets and AK-47's marching on Tel Aviv. Its totally possible, I wonder why Hamas didn't think of it earlier.

I guess they probably accounted for the fact that Isreal has the most powerful army in the region, numbering well over half-a-million men, with Tanks, Aircraft, and Attack Helocopters.

And Nukes, lets not forget about them either.

My guess is because they know they'd get their asses handed to them, so instead they play this "We will suicide bomb you and hand grenade you..simply to make the whole world hate you"

I know, and the world is really buying it too, just look at the Western world's general condemnation of Isreali actions in Gaza and their complete sympathy for Hamas.

Oh, nevermind.

Here's what I say, the "Upstanding muslims" need to step up and tell Hamas and all these fucking satchel charge toting wing nuts to cease and desist then talk to Isreal about peace.

Upstanding Muslims? Oh, I see what you mean... I can relate to that. As an upstanding Catholic, I just had to step up about the carnage that was going on in Ireland those decades ago.

You know, even though that conflict had absolutely nothing to do with me, and that I didn't know anyone that was invovled with the violence, I just KNEW I had to stand up and speak about it.

My guess is s acease fire ha to be obeyed by both sides...But what happens is the Palestinians say "We want peace"

You might want to replace 'Palestinians' with Hamas. Sadly, I don't think that the ordinary Palestinian has any weight on the peace process. Hamas and Isreal are just going to drag on the conflict and the general population down further.

"We will continue to fund Hamas.....But we want peace...and we shold be able to suicide bomb whom ever we wish...it's written by allah"

Right, right. Those 90% of unemployed Palestinians who are malnourished and live in abject poverty MUST be funding Hamas!

The problem with war is mass media

You mean the 'mass media' who are blocked from even entering Gaza?

 

[Alien Allen]

excellent post...agreed:thumbup:nod::homo:

shhhhh

don't give him to much damn credit

he might get an overinflated opinion of himself.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

About half of what you quoted by me wsa taken out of context...By...well you

Not even dignifying it with a response. Simple fact of the matter is, The Plaestinian government is rife with Hamas leadership, which is considered a terrorist sect by...well virtually everone on the planet except Hamas sympathisers.

And if they are not willing to grab some brass and really go to way, this chickenshit suicide bombing and lobbing of small arms over the fence is only going to end badly for them.

So I guess it's Isreals fault :24: