Save Gaza !

[Wookiegirl]

I think you and I are just going to have to respectfully agree to disagree.

 

[jctauss]

my occupation and training is as a linguist, I work to help people understand each other so as to prevent violence. I work for the army but I do not support any kind of war. I do not even carry a weapon. but I do believe in a countrys right to protect itself by all means necessary. and they are doing, sadly, what is necessary

 

[Alien Allen]

The Palestinians have no interest in peace. They are spineless terrorists who Israel is defending against. Look who leads the Palestinians folks. They have yet to rescind there intent to drive Israel into the ocean. And who said this is Palestinians land anyway. Nobody has native rights to it. That is a fantasy. In the real world countries divided up by somebody winning. You want Israel to lose that is fine. Just don't plan on having gas from that region. Too many of the Muslims around there are nothing short of nuts.

 

[jctauss]

I think you and I are just going to have to respectfully agree to disagree.

of course in the end neither will be able to convince the other views like this are too deeply rooted but the point of a debate is to get the argument off your chest and hope the other person cant respond intelligibly then you win. and I love to debate politics. and your still super awesome in my book wooks, I wont ever hold anyones beliefs against them thats why its a debate not an argument.

 

[Wookiegirl]

totally agreed sweetie.
I just don't like getting too into the debate section here cuz when I give my opinions and support it with links to what I believe are legitimate news sources, they are typically shit all over. So I say what I think and you say what you think and at the end of the day if we made each other wonder, then I guess it's served it's purpose

 

[jctauss]

ok alien allen i see your trying to support the right side good for you, but you have to fully understand the palestinians too. they do have just as much right to be there as the israelis do. Israel has many places that are considered holy by many religions especially in the land around jerusalem where, believe it or not, Israeli jews and Israeli muslims live rather peacefully side by side. No religion has a right to the land above any other and Israel has never done anything to prevent that. Israel is a free country with freedom of religion. when you say too many of the muslims there are nuts its just not true its not a muslim thing its a small political group of extremeists financed by the country of Iran for the express purpose of turning Israel into a muslim state. in other words a small group of nuts in an otherwise very peaceful religion that get a very bad rep from these guys.

 

[Alien Allen]

jc I hold all the Muslims accountable for the crap in that region. You never see protests or much coming from the Muslims in response to the really nutbag Mulsims. That is quietly aiding and abetting in my book. Iran is a problem but the bigger one IMO is Saudia Arabia which is a breeding ground for the nutbag Muslims.

One has to only see the massive street demonstrations when the poor ole Mulsims feel insulted to see how intollerant way too many of them are.

 

[skyblue]

Israel totally overreacted though. They really didn't need to respond with this much force.

how can you over-react when civilians are obliterated by rocket fire

 

[skyblue]

if i was in charge of israel i would pull out of all occupied territories.........i would sit and wait........it wouldn't be long before they were attacked because the islamic fundementalists dont want them there......they want a 100% muslim middle east.......i'm not saying israel have been totally innocent in things but after thousands of years of hate the jewish faith must be feeling a little paranoid by now...first attack and i'd tell the world to defend us or watch us defend ourselves

and this civilian bloodshed.....hamas are launching random rocket attacks on israel.......civilians are the target.....they are using mobile rocket launchers which are being located in hospitals and schools etc......israel is taking them out........whos wrong?.........israel for trying to defend its people or hamas for using human shields?

 

[satinbutterfly]

I really don't believe there are any innocents in this fight anymore. Regardless, I believe people have a right to protect themselves, as Israel is doing now.

 

[Alien Allen]

if i was in charge of israel i would pull out of all occupied territories.........i would sit and wait........it wouldn't be long before they were attacked because the islamic fundementalists dont want them there......they want a 100% muslim middle east.......i'm not saying israel have been totally innocent in things but after thousands of years of hate the jewish faith must be feeling a little paranoid by now...first attack and i'd tell the world to defend us or watch us defend ourselves

and this civilian bloodshed.....hamas are launching random rocket attacks on israel.......civilians are the target.....they are using mobile rocket launchers which are being located in hospitals and schools etc......israel is taking them out........whos wrong?.........israel for trying to defend its people or hamas for using human shields?

But part of the reason they took those territories to begin with was for security. Gaza Strip and Golan Heights as I recall were good launching points for attacks on Israel. It is a tiny country to begin with and Arafat had his chance for peace and got greedy. The Arabs do not want peace. They want to destroy Israel. Most of them anyway. This is a problem that will go on for eternity.

60 minutes did a show a couple of years ago where they filmed a group of kids in the early teens who were from both sides. They stayed together for a period of time in somewhat of a camp environment and over time became the best of friends. Then 10-15 years later the group were brought back together and they were now full blow enemies. It showed to me there is no hope in the foreseeable future

 

[skyblue]

But part of the reason they took those territories to begin with was for security. Gaza Strip and Golan Heights as I recall were good launching points for attacks on Israel. It is a tiny country to begin with and Arafat had his chance for peace and got greedy. The Arabs do not want peace. They want to destroy Israel. Most of them anyway. This is a problem that will go on for eternity.

60 minutes did a show a couple of years ago where they filmed a group of kids in the early teens who were from both sides. They stayed together for a period of time in somewhat of a camp environment and over time became the best of friends. Then 10-15 years later the group were brought back together and they were now full blow enemies. It showed to me there is no hope in the foreseeable future

so its worth fighting for.........theres hope

 

[Sam]

The real problem over here is those people who have taken the religion in wrong sense and who are out there to out power the rest of the world, we term these group of people as TERRORISTS.

The fact is that only innocent people are suffered country / caste / colour doesn't make any difference these fucking Politicians and Terrorists hide at safe places and we the common people are left out in open.

The problem is how and what should we do to cure this part of society, its not about any particular country or people or land its about humanity, because there are some people who will blame GOD for this type of Human Act.

 

[Alien Allen]

so its worth fighting for.........theres hope

yes it is worth fighting for

not sure about if there is hope though

 

[All Else Failed]

The Palestinians have no interest in peace. They are spineless terrorists who Israel is defending against. Look who leads the Palestinians folks. They have yet to rescind there intent to drive Israel into the ocean. And who said this is Palestinians land anyway. Nobody has native rights to it. That is a fantasy. In the real world countries divided up by somebody winning. You want Israel to lose that is fine. Just don't plan on having gas from that region. Too many of the Muslims around there are nothing short of nuts.

well, its sad to see that you're a racist. The fact that you think all Palestinians are terrorists is pretty disturbing.

I can totally understand the Palestinian's rage with Israel. I do not condone the bombings, but what do you expect when you subjugate an entire people, kick them off their land and herd them into camps where they live on basically nothing every day? People don't even recognize that fact.

Actually the Palestinians have more "right" to that land than the jews. They've been living there in great numbers for thousands of years.

can you give any examples to support your argument or are you just listening to liberal media?

lol too rich.

 

[Anie]

Picking sides to support is pretty useless to be honest, they've been having this struggle ongoing for many generations... both sides aren't innocent, blood is shed but where does the change begin? When does it get better? When do they put aside their differences? It seems very impossible...

 

[All Else Failed]

how can you over-react when civilians are obliterated by rocket fire

how many hundreds of innocent people have been killed in a few days by Israel?

 

[Wookiegirl]

how many hundreds of innocent people have been killed in a few days by Israel?

the numbers i heard were ridiculously very high Palestinian and very low Israeli

 

[sierrabravo]

really, why do they have to continually fight? why dont they just fucking nuke each other all ready? you know they want to. just fucking get it over with. They've been on that land for decades, fucking get used to it!

 

[Wookiegirl]

really, why do they have to continually fight? why dont they just fucking nuke each other all ready? you know they want to. just fucking get it over with. They've been on that land for decades, fucking get used to it!

i don't think anyone wants that.