Republican Judgement

[Minor Axis]

Koch Brothers To Workers, Vote For Romney Or Suffer The Consequences.

You gotta love conservative billionaires- not.

As a contentious election season enters its final weeks, a flurry of communication from corporate leaders to rank-and-file workers strongly implies that voting for Obama could imperil their jobs and their financial stability.

Employees of a paper company owned by the outspoken billionaire Koch brothers received a mailing warning that they could “suffer the consequences, including higher gasoline prices, runaway inflation, and other ills" if they voted for candidates not supported by Koch-owned companies or its political fund-raising arm.

The company also provided workers with a list of those candidates it supports. At the top: Mitt Romney, according to media outlet In These Times, which broke the story. “The packet also included an anti-Obama editorial by Charles Koch and a pro-Romney editorial by David Koch,” it said.

“This is in no way an attempt to ‘intimidate’ employees,” Greg Guest, senior director of corporate communications at Georgia-Pacific, said in a statement on the site kochfacts.com.

"It's free speech. On the other hand, while it's maybe not directly intended to be intimidating, it can be intimidating," said Izzy Kushner, president of consulting firm HR Impact and president of the Human Resources Association of New York.

 

[Accountable]

So you agree with some of my premise?

Yes.

What about holding everyone to the same standard? Why should a board of directors be able to decide to walk out on their obligations, while individuals can't?

Sorry, I didn't realize that was part of your premise.

The playing field is not level and the bigger you are, the less you are held accountable...

Demonstrably true.

 

[Minor Axis]

The evolving, no make that revolving view of the current GOP Presidential candidate.

 

[Minor Axis]

Karl Rove: "Obama suppressed the vote by demonizing Romney!" Self serving pot...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns...he-vote-encouraged-romey-backerse-149053.html

 

[Minor Axis]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202.html

CEO Schnatter whines that Healthcare reform will add .11-.14 cents per pizza and plans on reducing employees hours in response! For perspective, the poor man lives here: http://i.imgur.com/AeEbi.jpg

 

[Accountable]

We eat too damn much pizza.

 

[Minor Axis]

So he can cover his new Obamacare costs by pulling two pepperonis off each pizza. That's excessive.

 

[Accountable]

Or he can cut a couple of people loose and not piss his customers off.

 

[Accountable]

It's just getting silly. People are calling for a boycott and others for a national Papa Johns appreciation day.

People aren't pissed because of Papa Johns passing costs on to the consumer. They're pissed because they admit it.

 

[Minor Axis]

People aren't pissed because of Papa Johns passing costs on to the consumer. They're pissed because they admit it.

Source?

 

[Accountable]

Source?

Name one business that has declared it's intention to just eat the increased costs and you will show yourself to be either naive or a liar ... and you're not naive.

 

[Minor Axis]

Name one business that has declared it's intention to just eat the increased costs and you will show yourself to be either naive or a liar ... and you're not naive.

You said people are pissed because they (businesses) admit to passing costs onto the customer. This is your opinion, so I asked for a source. Most of the critique I've heard, and rightly so are because they are threatening to punish their employees with layoffs or decreased work hours (whatever the latter is supposed to achieve), not pass costs onto customers. If you are stating or implying I am a liar, I don't appreciate it.

 

[Stone]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202.html

CEO Schnatter whines that Healthcare reform will add .11-.14 cents per pizza and plans on reducing employees hours in response! For perspective, the poor man lives here: http://i.imgur.com/AeEbi.jpg

This is happening in a lot of the food service trade and likely to spill out into many large and or franchised business.

The coming issue won't be so much job creation as it will the factoring of converted full time jobs to part time and the realization that wages and salaries, of a percentage of the nation .....necessary for quality living are at risk.

Obamacare is a tax that is supposed to insure quality health care for all.......and because many business models at a time of economic stress aren't robust enough to accommodate the burden of new taxes........they are going to adjust their business models .....and that includes conversion to part timers to evade the health tax.
This reduces tax revenues from businesses and increases the number of policy holders failing to meet income scales that are taxable and further burdens both the middle class full time worker and businesses maintaining full time employment.
(edit: context of 'tax' relates to Health care )

For perspective, the poor man lives here

Ah....wealth envy rears it's ugly head as rationale......sweet.

 

[Accountable]

You said people are pissed because they (businesses) admit to passing costs onto the customer. This is your opinion, so I asked for a source. Most of the critique I've heard, and rightly so are because they are threatening to punish their employees with layoffs or decreased work hours (whatever the latter is supposed to achieve), not pass costs onto customers. If you are stating or implying I am a liar, I don't appreciate it.

"Punishment" is your spin. If you were intellectually honest (and you're not even honest enough to consider that you might not be) you'd know damn well that every business (even the green energy ones) is going to cut costs and/or pass costs on to the consumer to balance the additional costs of the new law. This is not punishment, it is business. How those costs are to be balanced is up to each business, but it will be done. You and your fellow partisans are demonizing Papa Johns because the guy said the truth out loud instead of just doing it quietly.

I swear some of you people think that if no one talks about it, it doesn't really happen.

 

[Alien Allen]

so now the tactic on the left is for them to demonize businesses for passing the extra costs to customers.

just proves they have no clue on how businesses actually operate. The think business is like govt. If it costs more just put it on a charge card and don't make people pay for it.

 

[Minor Axis]

"Punishment" is your spin. If you were intellectually honest (and you're not even honest enough to consider that you might not be) you'd know damn well that every business (even the green energy ones) is going to cut costs and/or pass costs on to the consumer to balance the additional costs of the new law. This is not punishment, it is business. How those costs are to be balanced is up to each business, but it will be done. You and your fellow partisans are demonizing Papa Johns because the guy said the truth out loud instead of just doing it quietly.

I swear some of you people think that if no one talks about it, it doesn't really happen.

When an owner decides to cut hours instead of eating .15 cents per pizza or passing it on to customers, I can legitimately ask if that .15 pushes them out of the realm of competitiveness. And instead of passing that on to his customers, instead decides to punish his employees, because as someone who worked in labor (me), that is the word best used to describe it. Sorry team members, we can't afford this. Cutting your hours, making you less competitive (somehow) is going to help me maintain profit. How does that work exactly? You guys keep blurting that "the critics are mad cause he is passing costs on". According to what I've read he is NOT passing costs on, he is screwing his employees. WTF have you read? Oh, or is that what they are saying over at Fox or whatever news source you are using?

I swear some of you people think that if no one talks about it, it doesn't really happen.

This is a nonsense statement. I swear you are losing it.

so now the tactic on the left is for them to demonize businesses for passing the extra costs to customers.

just proves they have no clue on how businesses actually operate. The think business is like govt. If it costs more just put it on a charge card and don't make people pay for it.

Who said that? Were are you getting this from? Cutting employee hrs is not passing on costs to customers, unless he is doing both. The article I read did not indicate this.

 

[Stone]

When an owner decides to cut hours instead of eating .15 cents per pizza or passing it on to customers, I can legitimately ask if that .15 pushes them out of the realm of competitiveness. ....................



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You can ask but the issue isn't about 15 cents......it's about the Health Care Tax times the number of employees downgraded to part time status versus a competitive market and profit distributions to the owners.
Don't like that scenario, buy cheap frozen pizzas as a protest.

 

[The Man]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202.html

CEO Schnatter whines that Healthcare reform will add .11-.14 cents per pizza and plans on reducing employees hours in response! For perspective, the poor man lives here: http://i.imgur.com/AeEbi.jpg

This ceo needs to be fired as he doesnt realize the cascade effect.
See...just as it will cost him more...it will cost everyone else more...that means his suppliers as well.
His supplies will be higher....this will also add to his costs as well.
Oh and yeah...the suppliers also suffer the same{from their suppliers} which also makes the cost higher for them
I think you get the idea...if you dont...you are being intentionally difficult IMO
But then again liberal democrats are always difficult...regardless of their intentions

 

[Stone]

This ceo needs to be fired as he doesnt realize the cascade effect.
See...just as it will cost him more...it will cost everyone else more...that means his suppliers as well.
His supplies will be higher....this will also add to his costs as well.
Oh and yeah...the suppliers also suffer the same{from their suppliers} which also makes the cost higher for them
I think you get the idea...if you dont...you are being intentionally difficult IMO
But then again liberal democrats are always difficult...regardless of their intentions

This ceo needs to be fired as he doesnt realize the cascade effect.

I disagree......in a competitive market, he's trapped into making a choice....downgrade quality and/or lessening overhead ( derived from and driven by health care taxation boundaries in order to legally evade taxation).

See...just as it will cost him more...it will cost everyone else more...that means his suppliers as well.

If Schnatter decided to negotiate supply, that impinges on the supplier to be more efficient ( including a reduction in labor expenses ....and part-timing is now an effective solution for the supplier)
If Schnatter eats the expense by including less product in his pizza, the pressure on the supplier isn't as great to go part time, but it's still there as he's not moving as much product.
But if Schnatter eats the whole expense and maintains product quality and cost....the supplier isn't affected. But....Schnatter's business model will have to adjust if it isn't a profitable venture and he's back to the above considerations.
As you can see......the scenario is quite variable.

Oh and yeah...the suppliers also suffer the same{from their suppliers} which also makes the cost higher for them

In a bad economy in the process of recovery, a domino effect is a risk and more likely.
The issue is ...how much loss can a business maintain and how much inflation can the consumer afford?


This is why expanding entitlements in a recovering economy is a negative.

 

[Minor Axis]

This ceo needs to be fired as he doesnt realize the cascade effect.
See...just as it will cost him more...it will cost everyone else more...that means his suppliers as well.
His supplies will be higher....this will also add to his costs as well.
Oh and yeah...the suppliers also suffer the same{from their suppliers} which also makes the cost higher for them
I think you get the idea...if you dont...you are being intentionally difficult IMO
But then again liberal democrats are always difficult...regardless of their intentions

You know, if it was .15 cents more due to the rise in cost of flour, we would not hear a peep about it. But because it's for their employee's benefit, the CEO goes on a verbal rampage... figures.