Republican Judgement

[MoonOwl]

You only mean once right?

You're not saying Diebold picked the first term are you? No, not you..... Yeah, it was the hanging chads. That's it.....

Anyway, he served two terms. Now we have Mitt. Imho, the only republican in the room to vote for is Ron Paul. If GOP voters don't see that he is the candidate that isn't in the back pocket of the status quo, well then, they haven't learned anything since the last time. Nope. Just throw a little God out there and pouf! InstaVote. gag.

 

[Maulds]

I'm just saying I remember all the times you reminded me he wasn't elected the first time :tooth

 

[Alien Allen]

You only mean once right?

Not trying to partisan as I hated Mr. Internet Inventor but I thought there were credible studies done that indicated that Bush actually did have more votes?

That has nothing to do with who would have been better. Just an observation that I thought there had been some reliable groups that were not beholden to anybody that indicated Gore still would have lost.

The whole think had a stench though and gave red meat to the left. I think they conveniently forget that when the right goes after Obama. It works both ways and always will as long as voters are fickle and vote more on emotion than substance. IMO

 

[Maulds]

Moonie and I go waaaaay back. I just posted that to mess with her. She knows Bush won both times fair and square

 

[MoonOwl]

I'm just saying I remember all the times you reminded me he wasn't elected the first time :tooth

Awwwwww.... You remember *blushes* Ya know, I wish I still had half the links I had acquired and stored on DW.... So much has proven true over the course of time.... So much.

Where is the politician calling for accountability from Wall Street? Either side of the Aisle? (outside of that kooky, racist, cowardly, Ron Paul) Where is the politician calling for ending the pull of the MIC (outside of RP? {ooRP}) Auditing the Federal Reserve? (ooRP). Abolishing the Patriot Act? (ooRP). I could go on & on. Any Dem? Any GOP?

When insider trading is legal for our congresscritters people should know we have a flaw that dangling a belief in God or the flaming of intolerance ain't gonna solve.

Once again, Gay Marriage and Abortion and God are being used to distract certain voters and once again, it appears they are falling for it.

Hence why I'm glad I still don't have that huge arsenal of links any longer. Cuz then I might kid myself once again into thinking that if you put actual FACTS in front on someone that they won't scream "That's not True". It ain't true. ssdd. We deserve what we get once again. The best bought and paid for government corporate & foreign money can buy.:horse:horse:horse:horse:horse:horse:horse Yee Haw! :usa:

 

[MoonOwl]

Moonie and I go waaaaay back. I just posted that to mess with her. She knows Bush won both times fair and square

Why yes we do and I love you for it

Yep, he sure did. Absofuckinglutely. It's ok cuz there is no electronic voting fraud. There are no such thing as viruses able to come in, fuck w/10% and then disappear. Thank goodness for that. Cuz our votes matter dammit. All 45% voter turn out of them. Our politicians would never let the integrity of our elections go to shit. There is absofreakinglutely no advantage to them if that happened.:cool

 

[Minor Axis]

Romney Plan Adds Trillions to the Deficit

The problem with the Romney/Ryan plan is that it would add trillions to the deficit by making large cuts in the top tax brackets. Those funds would not be recovered and would result in having to cut entitlement programs, something the GOP has always cherished. It's win, win for them. Help the rich, screw everyone else.

 

[robdawg1]

Sounds like the Bush Doctrine... Spend More, Cut Taxes and blame Democrats!
I never understood the math of increase spending while significantly decreasing income...go figure

 

[Tim]

Sounds like the Bush Doctrine... Spend More, Cut Taxes and blame Democrats!
I never understood the math of increase spending while significantly decreasing income...go figure

Listening to Rush yesterday, he was already beating the drums for "trickle down" economics. He spent an inordinate amount of time defending the practice and explaining that it's the only way to save the economy.
So if he's out there selling it once again, you know damn well that's what mittens and ryan are going to be pushing. Rush is just the cheerleader warming up the crowd before the big game.

How anyone could possibly think trickle down economics works is beyond me. If it was even remotely the case, the economy would be better right now than it's ever been. Hell just look at the explosive growth the top 2% have enjoyed over the last ten years...

 

[Minor Axis]

Besides the GOP tax cutting proposals, I'm curious about how the younger folk feel about the Ryan plan regarding Medicare? In an attempt to sooth seniors, the GOP is telling people that if you are 55 or older, you'll see no difference in your medicare coverage. What I admit to not being up to speed with is exactly what are they offering to those under 55? Last I heard, it was a $15k voucher per year.

Anyone know?

Sounds like the Bush Doctrine... Spend More, Cut Taxes and blame Democrats!
I never understood the math of increase spending while significantly decreasing income...go figure

It's more like spend more, cut taxes to reduce tax revenue, and when the deficits become a problem, scream that we have a spending problem and propose to cut programs. It works quite well.

Listening to Rush yesterday, he was already beating the drums for "trickle down" economics. He spent an inordinate amount of time defending the practice and explaining that it's the only way to save the economy.
So if he's out there selling it once again, you know damn well that's what mittens and ryan are going to be pushing. Rush is just the cheerleader warming up the crowd before the big game.

How anyone could possibly think trickle down economics works is beyond me. If it was even remotely the case, the economy would be better right now than it's ever been. Hell just look at the explosive growth the top 2% have enjoyed over the last ten years...

This is the best visual representation: The rich eat cake, the rest get the crumbs that fall off their plate. The problem with trickle down the way the GOP sees it is that there is no requirements for anyone receiving a tax windfall to do anything with their money. It's a given they will do things that benefit them. It's not a given that the things they do will substantially help anyone else.

 

[Minor Axis]

Ahh, I may of had a mis-impression. My understanding of the Ryan Medicare Plan was for a $15k voucher per year. I was thinking this was $15k per year to pay for medical costs vs $15k per year to buy medical insurance. If it's the latter, I'm feeling a bit stupid and will have to reconsider this. Be gentle...

 

[Alien Allen]

if that is per person that is way more than ample unless rates really jump when you are around 70

hopefully they have a scale where at 65 your voucher would be less. I pay $400 a month and am almost 59. It is a pretty decent plan. I think the max out of pocket is $1500

There needs to be medical savings accounts that one can get on their own like an IRA. Not sure but I think the only way to get one now is thru an employer

If young people could contribute a tax free amount starting out they would have loads of money to offset the higher premiums that will arise as you get older.

 

[Accountable]

Sounds like the Bush Doctrine... Spend More, Cut Taxes and blame Democrats!
I never understood the math of increase spending while significantly decreasing income...go figure

It's the same doctrine President Obama continued. Shouldn't we be calling it the Obama doctrine by now?
I don't get the math, either. I also don't get why people keep the Republocrats in power and continue to bitch about getting screwed over.

 

[Accountable]

Listening to Rush yesterday, he was already beating the drums for "trickle down" economics. He spent an inordinate amount of time defending the practice and explaining that it's the only way to save the economy.
So if he's out there selling it once again, you know damn well that's what mittens and ryan are going to be pushing. Rush is just the cheerleader warming up the crowd before the big game.

How anyone could possibly think trickle down economics works is beyond me. If it was even remotely the case, the economy would be better right now than it's ever been. Hell just look at the explosive growth the top 2% have enjoyed over the last ten years...

Repubs want to control the economy by trickling down from big corp. Dems want to control it by trickling down from Washington. Well, except for GM, GE, Banks, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

 

[robdawg1]

It's the same doctrine President Obama continued. Shouldn't we be calling it the Obama doctrine by now?
I don't get the math, either. I also don't get why people keep the Republocrats in power and continue to bitch about getting screwed over.

I would disagree with you. The Obama administration made significant cuts to spending in some areas while increasing spending in others, however he ended the wreckless tax cuts and breaks that the Bush administration put into effect

 

[Accountable]

I would disagree with you. The Obama administration made significant cuts to spending in some areas while increasing spending in others, however he ended the wreckless tax cuts and breaks that the Bush administration put into effect

I don't know what newspapers you've been reading, but the Bush tax cuts have been extended.

 

[robdawg1]

they are...i had a duh moment

 

[Alien Allen]

I get caught up in the same trap wanting to always blame the president for the budget

We forget that congress controls the money

Nothing changes regardless of which party is in office

We need a 5 year freeze on spending. Not this bullshit where they use baseline budgeting and claim they made cuts. An actual friggin freeze. It would not be a cure all but would be a start.

Since spending would freeze then there would be no reason for congress to stay in session. They could go to a true part time job. Their staffs could then be gutted and they would be forced to rule based on their constituents. Seeing how they would be back in the real world for 10 months out of the year

 

[Tim]

Since spending would freeze then there would be no reason for congress to stay in session. They could go to a true part time job. Their staffs could then be gutted and they would be forced to rule based on their constituents. Seeing how they would be back in the real world for 10 months out of the year

You are forgetting the fact that they are still owned by whom ever donated the biggest checks.
Sure they may not be able to spend any more money, but that won't prevent them from passing tons of shit legislation in favor of their donors, right?

What makes you think they would start working for us?


The only way to correct 98% of the problems in this country is to get every fucking penny out of politics. Just think about it for a moment, name one law passed in the past 100 years that isn't tied to enriching someone.

 

[Accountable]

You are forgetting the fact that they are still owned by whom ever donated the biggest checks.
Sure they may not be able to spend any more money, but that won't prevent them from passing tons of shit legislation in favor of their donors, right?

What makes you think they would start working for us?


The only way to correct 98% of the problems in this country is to get every fucking penny out of politics. Just think about it for a moment, name one law passed in the past 100 years that isn't tied to enriching someone.

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