Republican Judgement

[MoonOwl]

hehehehehehehehehehe...... This is how it's done - all the same, all the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XANaV_fJeMo&feature=player_embedded

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[Accountable]

Unions are endangered species. Corporations and conservatives have been working tirelessly to align the laws against unions, they will cease to exist. When groups try to organize they will be slapped down legally and physically. Maybe we can see the return of indentured servitude? In the end, the higher salaries and benefits that the working class received will now go into the pockets of the corporatists and share holders where it belongs. Just be happy you have a job and a hovel to call your own.

The unions of today are like the current Tea Party - nothing remotely resembling the grassroots organizations they began as. True unions will never be extinct as long as we have the First Amendment (and republocrats' constanst attacks on it definitely bear watching). No one can prevent employees from peaceably assembling and voicing their complaints. Don't forget that the unions came before the laws that support them, not the other way around.

 

[Accountable]

hehehehehehehehehehe...... This is how it's done - all the same, all the time:

:24: We've got to get an envelope!

 

[Alien Allen]

back when the unions were established we did not have a plethora of ambulance chasing lawyers ready to jump in peoples defense.

Also back then there was no OSHA to scare the crap out of business

Big business can afford to deal with lawyers and OSHA. Little businesses get beat up on.

And little businesses still drive the economy. They may not drive regulations but they do drive the economy still

 

[Accountable]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...6/17/gJQATPS2jV_story.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions

“Republicans are in favor of disclosure,” Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in 2000 on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” making clear he was including issue advocacy — campaign ads with a thin veil of policy — as well as candidate spending. “Why would a little disclosure be better than a lot of disclosure?”


“I think what we ought to do is we ought to have full disclosure, full disclosure of all of the money that we raise and how it is spent,” Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), now House speaker, said on the same show in 2007 . “And I think that sunlight is the best disinfectant.”


“I don’t like it when a large source of money is out there funding ads and is unaccountable,” Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) said in 2010. “To the extent we can, I tend to favor disclosure.”


Yet now, with more secret money than ever slopping into the system, not a single Republican has signed on to bills that would provide the disinfectant Mr. Boehner claimed to favor.


What’s changed?


Sadly, only one thing, and it’s not the merits of the argument. The playing field has tilted toward Republicans, and they’re in no hurry to tilt it back.

If campaign contributions are secret, what's to keep people outside the system (rich foreigners) from buying influence?

 

[Johnfromokc]

The unions of today are like the current Tea Party - nothing remotely resembling the grassroots organizations they began as. True unions will never be extinct as long as we have the First Amendment (and republocrats' constanst attacks on it definitely bear watching). No one can prevent employees from peaceably assembling and voicing their complaints. Don't forget that the unions came before the laws that support them, not the other way around.

You have no idea what you are saying. No union bears any resemblance to the billionaire's TEA Party. You don't even know what percentage of the workforce is unionized nor do you know the gross union revenues as compared to corporate revenues. Sadly, this is typical of most Americans. There is open hostility toward what remains of unions today. At least you noticed the constant Republican attacks on labor. Note I said LABOR - which is most of us.

When employees peacably assemble, the FOX news and other pro-corporate news comes out and paints them in a bad light - then the TEA Party "patriots" head to the polls and vote against their own friends, families and neighbors.

Unions are on the ropes - the Republicans know it, and are stomping the last bit of life out of them.

back when the unions were established we did not have a plethora of ambulance chasing lawyers ready to jump in peoples defense.

Back in those days, employers sent Pinkertons out to gun down union activists. Even the military has been called out to kill workers standing up for their rights. The Ludlow Massacre comes to mind as one of many:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

And the Ford Hunger March aka the Ford Masssacre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Hunger_March

All of the seriously wounded marchers were arrested, and many were chained to their hospital beds. That night, the offices of many organizations were raided in the Detroit area, and their leaders were arrested. No law enforcement or Ford security officers were arrested, although all reliable reports showed that they were responsible for all of the gunfire.

How quickly we forget.

Also back then there was no OSHA to scare the crap out of business

Yeah - whiney workers wanting safe work environments. What's a mangled arm or leg or the life of some greaseball worker worth in the scheme of the profit motive?

Big business can afford to deal with lawyers and OSHA. Little businesses get beat up on.

That's right. And Republicans know and support this concept. Keeps competition from the little guy down.

And little businesses still drive the economy. They may not drive regulations but they do drive the economy still

And little business would benefit hugely from Universal Health Care. Big business knows this and fights hard against it. They can easily afford group health plans to attract employees, while the premiums kill small business profits.

But the TEA Party type rhetoric funded by billionaire's and mega corporations has convinced even small business owners to vote against their own best interests.

 

[Accountable]

You have no idea what you are saying. No union bears any resemblance to the billionaire's TEA Party.

I trust someone will read this to John:
Reading involves more than recognizing words. You also have to combine all the words in the sentence to understand what the writer means by the words. This is known as comprehension. It takes effort, but if you practice, you might improve.

 

[Johnfromokc]

I trust someone will read this to John:
Reading involves more than recognizing words. You also have to combine all the words in the sentence to understand what the writer means by the words. This is known as comprehension. It takes effort, but if you practice, you might improve.

You have no clue WTF you are talking about.

Answer the questions:

1. What percentage of the workforce is unionized?


2. How much gross union revenues as compared to corporate revenues.

 

[Accountable]

You have no clue WTF you are talking about.

Of course I do. I help students with their reading comprehension problems all the time. If you read aloud it might help you understand it.

Give it a go. :thumbup

 

[Johnfromokc]

Of course I do. I help students with their reading comprehension problems all the time. If you read aloud it might help you understand it.

Give it a go. :thumbup

Do you teach your students to make idiotic statements without first looking up and verifying easily obtainable information? Get yourself a cranial rectal extraction and maye an intelligent conversation might be had.

Are you going to answer the questions or continue with the bot-shit?

 

[Minor Axis]

Do you teach your students to make idiotic statements without first looking up and verifying easily obtainable information? Get yourself a cranial rectal extraction and maye an intelligent conversation might be had.

Are you going to answer the questions or continue with the bot-shit?

I'll say this with all friendliness, if you take down the rhetoric a couple notches you'll gain situational advantage. Don't hurt me.

 

[Johnfromokc]

I'll say this with all friendliness, if you take down the rhetoric a couple notches you'll gain situational advantage. Don't hurt me.

Tried it on numerous occaisions - doesn't work. Sometimes brainwashed bots just need a good bitch-slap to bring them back to reality.

The fact is, you can lead a conservobot to logic, but you can't make him think. Might as well have some fun with them then. They don't have a clue how programmed they are to vote against their own families best economic interests.

I'm pretty much resigned to the probability that the millions of ignorant, uneducated TEA Party idiots out there are going to win, and the nation is going to collapse into a finger-pointing heap of conservo-christian insanity before enough people wake up an realize we are headed over the cliff.

Might as well verbally bludgeon a few on the way down.

 

[Accountable]

I'll say this with all friendliness, if you take down the rhetoric a couple notches you'll gain situational advantage. Don't hurt me.

Tried it on numerous occaisions - doesn't work.

It's true, Minor, he has tried it, but he can't fake actually caring what other people think. He can't bring himself to be civil with any kind of consistency with anyone that challenges his paradigms & prejudices. Read any thread where he's tried. He's always and consistently the first one to start hurling insults, curses, and angry epithets. He's often the only one to do so.

I think it's a form of Turrets. He tries to control it but the pressure builds and builds until he just can't stand it. Within four or five posts he explodes and spews his hate and bigotry at whoever gets in his line of fire. It matters not one whit whether any of his accusations or conclusions are true or accurate. His mind's made up, dammit.

 

[Minor Axis]

I like to think of it as whoever controls their temper best usually wins the argument.

 

[MoonOwl]

I like to think of it as whoever controls their temper best usually wins the argument.

Quoted for Truth :cool

 

[Johnfromokc]

I like to think of it as whoever controls their temper best usually wins the argument.

Who is losing their temper other than the bots? I'm the Zen Master of bitch-slapping bots. Go deeper into bot-slapping-satori..........................:ninja

 

[Johnfromokc]

:tooth :24:

 

[Minor Axis]

Newsweek: Middle Class, R.I.P
Online Title: Middle Class in Free Fall From the Bush Depression.

I have a wealthy friend who lives in a wealthy neighborhood. One day he was in his front yard, chatting with his next-door neighbor, a Republican, who asked him why he’s a Democrat. My friend said he’d grown up poor but had gotten a good public education, worked his tail off, and made it. Then he pointed to a gardener working across the street. “Don’t you want that gardener’s son to live the same American Dream we have?” my friend asked. His neighbor shot him down, sniffing, “That gardener’s son will be my son’s gardener.”

The following quote illustrates why today's GOP is no relation to the GOP I grew up with and why I *used* to be a Republican. I'll also point out that this country needs a draft and when Presidents and myopic politicians want to jump into foreign adventures, the tax rates MUST be raised. Funding wars by deficit spending is CRIMINAL. I guarantee that if W had said, "I'm sorry we need to raise tax rates by 20% to fund the Iraq War", we probably would not have gone there :

The birth of the American middle class was the product of policy decisions—and the same is true of its death. After the Second World War, America had a debt crisis. It’s expensive to save the world, which is why, as a percentage of gross domestic product, debt in 1945 was far larger than today. The Greatest Generation made some tough choices. President Eisenhower raised the top marginal tax rate to 91 percent (that commie), and America invested in education (the GI Bill), housing, and technology. And the great American middle class led the boom that paid off the debt. In just 17 years the debt was back down to its pre-war level.

A recent report from the Federal Reserve documents the collapse of the middle class. Between 2007 and 2010 median wealth dropped a staggering 40 percent. As ever, the rich did fine, actually seeing their wealth increase as everyone else’s disappeared. That’s because those on top have less of their wealth tied up in real estate and more in investments like stocks and bonds, which have done better in the Bush Depression than home prices.

But we didn’t get into our current mess because we had too many teachers, cops, and firefighters. We got into it because we cut taxes, mostly for the rich, waged two wars on the national credit card, and deregulated Wall Street. We will never cure the debt if we don’t address its true causes.