Republican Judgement

[Minor Axis]

We have had the issue of not made in America for years and it has had no impact. We are a fast food and throw away society.

It's cumulative, it does have an effect, it is part of the reason the middle class is an endangered class. If you still have your job, you might not notice.

 

[Alien Allen]

It's cumulative, it does have an effect, it is part of the reason the middle class is an endangered class. If you still have your job, you might not notice.

The only thing endangering the middle class are socialist policies. When you try pass the money around in an effort to be fair it does not prop up the middle class. It weakens it. LBJ's great society measures are a clear example. They have done nothing for the poor other than to make them feel entitled to get their piece of the pie even when they contribute nothing despite being able to. Sure there are some that can not contribute. It has nothing to do with them. Its the rest that get money for doing nothing. Why is that? Why can they not be forced to do menial labor in return if physically able?

 

[Johnfromokc]

The only thing endangering the middle class are socialist policies.

What particular socialist policy is endangering the middle class? Just one. Be specific.

When you try pass the money around in an effort to be fair it does not prop up the middle class. It weakens it.

What money exactly has been passed around to prop up the middle class?

LBJ's great society measures are a clear example.

Can you give a factual example? Again, be specific.

They have done nothing for the poor other than to make them feel entitled to get their piece of the pie even when they contribute nothing despite being able to.

So you are saying that poor people as you define them would rather live in a welfare housing slum infested with drug addicts, predators and crime and all manor of squalor than have meaningful work that they could easily get?

Sure there are some that can not contribute. It has nothing to do with them. Its the rest that get money for doing nothing. Why is that? Why can they not be forced to do menial labor in return if physically able?

Why can't people like you be forced to think?

Ever think that the bottom 50% of income earners in the United States earn only 12 % of all earned income?

Ever think about the fact that the top 1% earns more than 20% of all earned income?

Ever think about that 30% of remaining income that makes up what is left of the middle class?

Ever think about corporate welfare? Oil subsidies? Big ag subsidies? Tax breaks for moving an American factory to Indonesia?

Ever think about the middle class wages that decline year after year?

Ever think about the 1,000,000 Americans that file bankruptcy due to medical bills each year?

Nah, you don't think about those FACTS, do you? You just think about how the bottom 50% of income earners are getting away with that obscene 12%.

Blaming the poor for America's current problems - yeah, that's logical - for non-thinkers.

 

[Minor Axis]

The only thing endangering the middle class are socialist policies. When you try pass the money around in an effort to be fair it does not prop up the middle class. It weakens it. LBJ's great society measures are a clear example. They have done nothing for the poor other than to make them feel entitled to get their piece of the pie even when they contribute nothing despite being able to. Sure there are some that can not contribute. It has nothing to do with them. Its the rest that get money for doing nothing. Why is that? Why can they not be forced to do menial labor in return if physically able?

When has the Middle Class ever had anything to do with welfare? Excuse me while I giggle. Ok, I'm recovered. If the menial labor is in association with welfare, then it would require another government bureaucracy, something I guess you are against. Btw, you ever been down to the slums? They really are living the life of Riley down there... gg

 

[Codrus]

When has the Middle Class ever had anything to do with welfare?......

paying for it....

 

[Minor Axis]

paying for it....

So this is your explanation of why the Middle Class is endangered?

 

[Minor Axis]

The Republican Vision Sees Frutation.

 

[Johnfromokc]

The Republican Vision Sees Frutation.

Indeed. I think many want to see a permanent underclass to make themselves feel better. That's why our resident "libertarians" aka TEA party types compalin so loudy about the "47% that pay no taxes at all", which is nonsensical TP propaganda.

They are advocating the screwing over of their own friends and family. Just like Jay Gould said:

"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half"

And that is exactly what these TEA part libertarian useful-idiot types are doing - for the modern day Jay Goulds like the Kochs.

 

[Tim]

That's not far off from what they are doing to the unions. They will drive wages down to a point that they can point their fingers at the union workers and scream, "Look at their high wages and pensions!, they make MORE than you and it's not fair. We should break them up and take away their collective bargaining rights."

 

[Johnfromokc]

That's not far off from what they are doing to the unions. They will drive wages down to a point that they can point their fingers at the union workers and scream, "Look at their high wages and pensions!, they make MORE than you and it's not fair. We should break them up and take away their collective bargaining rights."

This sounds something like our resident libertarians doesn't it?

 

[Accountable]

That's not far off from what they are doing to the unions. They will drive wages down to a point that they can point their fingers at the union workers and scream, "Look at their high wages and pensions!, they make MORE than you and it's not fair. We should break them up and take away their collective bargaining rights."

Cool thing about unionizing: it doesn't require a big corporation or lobbyists, doesn't need laws to require membership to survive, and doesn't require any kind of tax or government support. Unionizing is assembly, a right guaranteed by the Constitution, to express speech, another right guaranteed by the Constitution. The AFL-CIO or (whoever is the world's biggest union corporation now) could be completely destroyed and the right to assemble and protest against an employer would still remain untouched.

 

[Tim]

But laws can be and have been passed that make it very hard for unions to get started.

You make it sound like anyone can just get together and form a union if they wish... but without any protections at all, they can be summarily dismissed. So why bother getting together???

 

[Accountable]

But laws can be and have been passed that make it very hard for unions to get started.

You make it sound like anyone can just get together and form a union if they wish... but without any protections at all, they can be summarily dismissed. So why bother getting together???

That's the way it was in the beginning as well, but it worked. People are more sensitive to unionizing now, so it would be far different. Legislation didn't come until unions had already made the difference. Therefore, legislation was never required. Any laws making it hard to assemble and protest are by definition unconstitutional and should be challenged.

 

[Minor Axis]

Cool thing about unionizing: it doesn't require a big corporation or lobbyists, doesn't need laws to require membership to survive, and doesn't require any kind of tax or government support. Unionizing is assembly, a right guaranteed by the Constitution, to express speech, another right guaranteed by the Constitution. The AFL-CIO or (whoever is the world's biggest union corporation now) could be completely destroyed and the right to assemble and protest against an employer would still remain untouched.

I guess you have not been paying attention to the news coming out of Wisconsin in the last year...

 

[Accountable]

I guess you have not been paying attention to the news coming out of Wisconsin in the last year...

No, I haven't. How would it counter my opinion?

 

[Minor Axis]

No, I haven't. How would it counter my opinion?

The GOPpers don't consider unions "a right" and have taken steps to neutralize the ability of employees to band together for their common good.

 

[Minor Axis]

A business centric standard set by the Bush Administration/Republican Party : NYTimes- Use of Private Contractors Does Not Save The Government Money

WASHINGTON — Despite a widespread belief that contracting out services to the private sector saves the federal government money, a new study suggests just the opposite — that the government actually pays more when it farms out work.

The study found that in 33 of 35 occupations, the government actually paid billions of dollars more to hire contractors than it would have cost government employees to perform comparable services. On average, the study found that contractors charged the federal government more than twice the amount it pays federal workers.

The study was conducted by the Project on Government Oversight, a nonprofit Washington group. The federal government spends about $320 billion a year on contracts for services. The POGO study looked at a subset of those contracts.

For example, the study found that, on average, the federal government paid contractors $268,653 per year for computer engineering services, while government workers in the same occupation made $136,456.

For human resources management, the federal government paid contractors an annual rate of $228,488, more than twice the $111,711 to have the same services done in-house.

I'm sure Accountable loves the concept of private contractors involved in government.

 

[Accountable]

The GOPpers don't consider unions "a right" and have taken steps to neutralize the ability of employees to band together for their common good.

:confused Again, how does that counter my opinion?

 

[Minor Axis]

:confused Again, how does that counter my opinion?

This is what I see in your responses. You are always quick to criticize liberal ideas. You tend to be silent when conservatives forces are exposed for what they are, even if they are counter to your perception of what the Constitution guarantees. That's all.

 

[Accountable]

This is what I see in your responses. You are always quick to criticize liberal ideas. You tend to be silent when conservatives forces are exposed for what they are, even if they are counter to your perception of what the Constitution guarantees. That's all.

Oh, okay. Repubs routinely try to limit free speech when it comes in the form of unions. It is wrong, unconstitutional, and should be fought at every turn. Fair enough?

I still don't see how what you posted affects what I posted in any way.