Reasons I question if God exists

[BreakfastSurreal]

We were meant to live for so much more.

...but we lost ourselves...

 

[Suzie]

...but we lost ourselves...

Good song

 

[GraceAbounds]

And oh so true.

 

[NightWarrior]

No believer or non-believer is able to wrap their finite mind around the mind of a holy infinite Creator. (at least that is what I believe)

I'm a woman of God, but I LOVE science. The Bible is not a science book so I have no problem with saying we have evolved. But I really do not care how God decided to make me or how long it took. In the Bible it says a 1,000 years are like a day and visa versa. I don't totally know what that means, and I don't care as it doesn't change the totality of the Word. I personally think when we were made in God's image, a soul has more to do with that, than the vessel. (3 in 1)

I don't think it is heresy AllVenom. But we are so much more than 'just an animal' IMO. We were meant to live for so much more.


Grace

We haven't 'evolved' to that level. But when we die, we will be.
But then wouldn't this make there be many Gods?

No other creature has a spirit and a soul and a mind the way a human does.
Are you sure about that? Just because they don't speak English doesn't mean this is true.

 

[GraceAbounds]

We haven't 'evolved' to that level. But when we die, we will be.
But then wouldn't this make there be many Gods?

No it wouldn't as we still will not be the Creator.

No other creature has a spirit and a soul and a mind the way a human does.
Are you sure about that?

That is what I believe.

 

[All Else Failed]

How sure are you that animals do not have spirits? I guess it depends on your definition of what a spirit is.


You say that you don't care how god made you....yet....so much of your belief rests upon him creating you in a very specific fashion.

 

[GraceAbounds]

How sure are you that animals do not have spirits?

I don't believe animals have souls. They have spunk and personality though for sure.

You say that you don't care how god made you

I care, I just don't know 'exactly' how as the Bible is not a recipe book. Not being flippant, but I think you are making more of my previous answer than was meant by it.

so much of your belief rests upon him creating you in a very specific fashion

Really? I'm sure many Roman Catholic churches teach this. But I am not Catholic. I'm nothing. I just believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and read my Bible. My belief rests on Christ. (most of the time, face down at His feet)

 

[All Else Failed]

Well, I'm sure you believe that humans were made in his likeness, he created the universe and we are here today because of that. Thats a huge chunk of what comprises your belief system.

 

[Peter Parka]

Look! I believe in God but I dont believe in religion. I'm very fucked off about Tony Wilson dying right now too! I believe that you should believe what makes you feel good but dont make others feel bad by pushing your beliefs on them, that is all.

 

[Charmer]

God doesn't kill people.

If "he/she/it" exists, then "he/she/it" kills.

He may allow them to die .. but why should he intervene.

Why did/does "he/she/it" want people to die? If "he/she/it" exists, then "he/she/it" wants people to die and knows that people will die...all by "his/her/its" hands.

We are born to die .. we all know it.

Why were we born to die? If God exists, why did "he/she/it" put that "program" in us so that we would suffer? God, therefore, is cruel and inhumane.

We are getting allthese diseases and cancers from things we have done to ourselves.

That's bullshit. I know lots of people who die for no reason of anything they did. They were living clean, healthy lives and died of heart attacks, types of cancer for no reason and other ailments. God, therefore, is cruel and inhumane.

God didn't do it to us.

Yes, "he/she/it" did kill everyone who died. "He/she/it" knew that people would die and how they would die. Otherwise, God is not the "creator."

Saying god doesn't exist and that he's just a belief is no better argument than me saying the same thing about science.

Science is real; God is a belief. period.

If you don't believe in something .. you are worth nothing.

But no one needs to believe in God to be whole. I believe in my Daughter, my Wife, my Mom and my Brother; that's enough for me.

And saying we all came from some explosion in outspace or from radiation or from some single cell orginism makes just as much sense .. doens't it?

No, it makes more sense. Saying some mysterious floating thing in the sky went "zap, zap, zap" and created everything is a cop-out and science fiction. You might as well say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything. Same difference.

What it boils down to is what we each believe .. and what happens when we die. We won't know if we made the right choice until the moment we are no longer alive .. personally, I like to have on a life preserver when I jump into fathomless depths.

Having God and believing in God does not make anyone a better person than those people who do not believe in God. I know people like to believe that makes them better, more superior, more moral, more intelligence and more reasonable, but, nope, so far from it.

I didn't say you had to believe in a supreme being .. I said if you don't have something that you believe in period. You are quite a lost soul if you have nothing to wrap your mind around.

Now you see that people don't need God. Someone could believe in Santa Claus if they wanted to or their little stuffed bear that sits on their bed day after day.

Yes, he did .. he also instructed Adam and Eve on what not to do. He asked them to not do one thing .. he gave them no other restrictions besides the one .. and they did it anyway.

Just another part of the fairy tale. Answered truthfully by 'All Else Failed."

So God allowed punishmnets to fall upon them. he doesn't punish us, but he doesn't stop bad things from happening either. Sometimes we learn individually, sometimes it show others things when bad things rear their heads.

No, if God exists, then God punishes people for "his/her/its" own personal demented pleasure. If God exists, then we are just "his/her/its" game pieces to torture and kill at "his/her/its" whim.

The world is full of good and bad .. if it weren't .. it wouldn't be a free will kinda place .. it would be like a video game some one was really good at playing.

And again, if God exists, then "he/she/it" created both good and evil. "He/she/it" controls how much good and how much evil each and every person gets inside themselves.

Everyone has to die, so just because you die a bad way as opposed to in your sleep .. doesn't mean God doesn't care.

God is cruel and inhumane. If God wasn't cruel, and if we were programmed to die, then "he/she/it" would have each of us die peacefully after a giving and rewarding life.

Man has taken control of "his" life .. and God has let him. So it just makes sense that bad things are gonna happen from time to time.

Nope. Either God exists and is pulling the strings all the time or God doesn't exist and Man is in charge of his destiny. There can't be picking and choosing what this God does and doesn't do.

If God exists, then God created everything and knows everything and controls everything. No back and forth. No ifs, ands, or buts.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I believe in God but I dont believe in religion.

Same here Peter.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Same here Peter.

Nor I.

 

[All Else Failed]

Seeing as how theres multiple different variations on the worship and interpretation of god/Christ and the bible, don't you guys lean towards a single branch of Christianity than others? I mean, some of the branches of Christianity are wildly different from each other.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Nope. I lean on God and His Word. I go to a church where it is ok to disagree with each other on certain things that are not totally clear in the Bible. We believe the Word was meant to unite, not divide.

We follow Christ and no religion.

 

[All Else Failed]

What I mean is, do your beliefs fall under or close to any of the sects? I mean, you do have to define what beliefs you follow or not, because there are extremely different ways of worshiping. Compare what Calvinists and roman catholics believe for instance.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

Nope. I lean on God and His Word. I go to a church where it is ok to disagree with each other on certain things that are not totally clear in the Bible. We believe the Word was meant to unite, not divide.

We follow Christ and no religion.

I wish my churches were that nice, I may have stayed religious. My church banned me from going because I was ADHD. Assholes. Ever since they banned me, I just stopped going, and never went to a new one.

 

[GraceAbounds]

What I mean is, do your beliefs fall under or close to any of the sects? I mean, you do have to define what beliefs you follow or not, because there are extremely different ways of worshiping. Compare what Calvinists and roman catholics believe for instance.

I don't get caught up in all that mess. Those are just ways/issues/ideals/etc. in which people get caught up in that only lead to arguing and divide the body of Christ. That is how I see it.

I read the Bible. I focus on my walk with the Lord. I focus on my behavior. I work on being a servant to others. I work on loving the Lord, loving myself, and loving my neighbor as myself. I work on being obedient to the Lord's Way. I do this to glorify Him so that I might be able to feel a little bit of heaven right here on earth and then to share that with others. I pray. I give thanks. And when I am not being so controlling or arrogant or prideful, I am lucky enough to experience Him loving and helping others and touching others through me.

As far as how I worship and praise Him. I do that everyday. At church we sing, we clap, we hug, we cry, we share, we learn the Way, we serve others, we are not about works, we are about love - His love.

You'd have to come to my church to understand. It is what the Body of Christ is suppose to be. It is a loving experience.

We honestly are not a 'sect'. We are just disciples of Christ. We read the Bible and follow Him.

 

[All Else Failed]

ok.




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[Dodge_Sniper]

Grace > AEF

 

[GraceAbounds]

I wish my churches were that nice, I may have stayed religious. My church banned me from going because I was ADHD. Assholes. Ever since they banned me, I just stopped going, and never went to a new one.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I have had bad experiences at church. But sinners are in church too. Hey, I'm one of them. So we can't let ourselves be disillusioned.

My DH is ADHD too.

It took me over 50 visits to different churches before I found my home church. And if I didn't find one, I'd have been happy doing Bible study with some other 'passion-for-Christ-filled' friends of mine where love reigns and accountability is done with wisdom and hugs.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience though, I really am.:smiley31: