Protest against public schools!!!!!!

[siasl]

The public school system is horrible and needs to be fixed, no doubt. But it is in everyone's interest to educate our children. When the population as a whole has a good education, it benefits all of us as a nation. This is why Miss Jones down the street, who has no children, still contributes tax dollars to educating the children in her neighborhood.

i'm actually still a huge believer in the IDEA of public education....and the reality of parental involvement......not just at home, but at school....it being the ONLY way that currently exists to keep the idea of "school community" alive

but i finally surrendered to it's failure, too, and put my daughter in a private school (long story which basically illustrated to me that what she needed to succeed, and what the school could offer, were nearly at opposite ends of the spectrum.....

broadened my horizons, tho.....there are lots of alternatives to both mainstream public AND private schooling out there....the burden is on the parent, imo, to stay in touch with their kids and make sure they are in the educational environment they need.

 

[wednesday]

So are you suggesting that because my children go to a public school....they wont suceed in life as your daughter may???
I find that rather like inverted snobery?

 

[Tim]

i'm actually still a huge believer in the IDEA of public education....and the reality of parental involvement......not just at home, but at school....it being the ONLY way that currently exists to keep the idea of "school community" alive

but i finally surrendered to it's failure, too, and put my daughter in a private school (long story which basically illustrated to me that what she needed to succeed, and what the school could offer, were nearly at opposite ends of the spectrum.....

broadened my horizons, tho.....there are lots of alternatives to both mainstream public AND private schooling out there....the burden is on the parent, imo, to stay in touch with their kids and make sure they are in the educational environment they need.

I agree with what you are saying here...

But the public school systems are very different from location to location. We just moved from an area where I would absolutely dread sending my child to, to just 12 miles down the road with one of the areas best school districts. So now I don't need to worry about looking for a private school since I am very happy with the student to teacher ratio and the tough curriculum they offer. They really challenge the kids and give them as much one on one time they need. They teach there instead of preparing them for "tests" and I like that.

 

[Tim]

So are you suggesting that because my children go to a public school....they wont suceed in life as your daughter may???
I find that rather like inverted snobery?

I know this question wasn't for me... but I believe that it also has a lot to do with how active the parents are in the child's academic life. So your child may attend one of the worst rated schools in the state, yet excel due to your involvement. And on the other end, you could send your child to the best academic institution in the free world and they may not succeed later in life... :dunno It all depends on the kids and their parents.

 

[wednesday]

I know this question wasn't for me... but I believe that it also has a lot to do with how active the parents are in the child's academic life. So your child may attend one of the worst rated schools in the state, yet excel due to your involvement. And on the other end, you could send your child to the best academic institution in the free world and they may not succeed later in life... :dunno It all depends on the kids and their parents.

Exactly.....It is to do with the child and parental involvement...of course where they are educated matters, but i dont believe that because my children are not fortunate to have the access to private education, that they will fall below average...i didnt do to bad out of public education...followed by 3 Alevels , and a degree:dunno
But hey, who am i to point out whats right and wrong about the system, after all...i have all these qualifications and im "poor" Go figure?.lol

 

[siasl]

So are you suggesting that because my children go to a public school....they wont suceed in life as your daughter may???
I find that rather like inverted snobery?

good lord no wednesday....what does my daughter's education have to do with the education of your kids?

and that's part of my point....kids are inherently DIFFERENT....they won't all just automatically succeed in the same educational environment because federal law has mandated that they will, or because their parents tell them they must, or because educators want them to.

i meant nothing disparaging towards you for your choices by mentioning mine, and my comment that the burden is on the parents was not meant to suggest that somehow, you are failing yours.

 

[siasl]

I agree with what you are saying here...

But the public school systems are very different from location to location. We just moved from an area where I would absolutely dread sending my child to, to just 12 miles down the road with one of the areas best school districts. So now I don't need to worry about looking for a private school since I am very happy with the student to teacher ratio and the tough curriculum they offer. They really challenge the kids and give them as much one on one time they need. They teach there instead of preparing them for "tests" and I like that.

you're right RT....there is the breeze of change around....and their remain exceptional teachers in stifling environments, and exceptional districts across the country....some, as i understand it, have decided to forgo federal funds in exchange for abandoning standardized testing and federal programs....

personally, i applaud their decision :nod:

 

[gLing]

I say reform public school and do as Mulder suggested which is to hand out vouchers to families who can't afford private school so they will have a choice in the matter.
While we are on the subject of education, I would like to see the government double or triple their loans and grants programs for people needing help in tuition. Consider it a smart investment.

 

[Tim]

I say reform public school and do as Mulder suggested which is to hand out vouchers to families who can't afford private school so they will have a choice in the matter.
While we are on the subject of education, I would like to see the government double or triple their loans and grants programs for people needing help in tuition. Consider it a smart investment.

A small investment that has the potential of paying huge dividends. :clap

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

How about this:

Public schools stop performing at status quo, and the system invests money to get them to the level they should be.:thumbup

I have been working with, and studying the public school system in my state, it at one point was doing fantastic, then a trainwreck happened....(I won't tell you his name, but his initials are GW Bush).

It's not all his fault, but he set the ball rolling, the no child left behind was a joke regardless of what anyone says, and there's NO REASON for a school district in my area to thrive, while across town schools get the MINIMUM requirements an children suffer because the district is "poor".

There are school districts so poor in fact, they have began to advertise on the school buses for money.

I am wroking on writing what I would like to see eventually to be a bill passed to "re-distribute" funding, and channel monies that are needed elsewhere to get all of the schools in my state back to where they should be.

I can feel a rant coming on....

 

[bass_man1989]

Why free medical care? Because you can't help it if you get sick or hurt yourself, accidents happen. That's like charging people to take a shit, someone knows it has to happen, so they decide to make a little cash off it. In defense of public schools, my sister went to a private school and was doing terrible, they were understaffed. We switched her to public school where there were more people to help her and shes doing a lot better. Not to mention all the brats at private school making fun of her for not getting some of the material. The point I'm trying to make is that whether the school is public or private doesn't make a difference, there's gonna be good ones and bad ones with good students and poor ones. That's my two cent... more like 10 bucks.

 

[gLing]

How about this:

Public schools stop performing at status quo, and the system invests money to get them to the level they should be.:thumbup

I have been working with, and studying the public school system in my state, it at one point was doing fantastic, then a trainwreck happened....(I won't tell you his name, but his initials are GW Bush).

It's not all his fault, but he set the ball rolling, the no child left behind was a joke regardless of what anyone says, and there's NO REASON for a school district in my area to thrive, while across town schools get the MINIMUM requirements an children suffer because the district is "poor".

There are school districts so poor in fact, they have began to advertise on the school buses for money.

I am wroking on writing what I would like to see eventually to be a bill passed to "re-distribute" funding, and channel monies that are needed elsewhere to get all of the schools in my state back to where they should be.

I can feel a rant coming on....

What is happening to the federal dollars being given to states to help fund school systems? I thought that is what the no child left behind program was about.

 

[Carthage]

Why free medical care? Because you can't help it if you get sick or hurt yourself, accidents happen. That's like charging people to take a shit, someone knows it has to happen, so they decide to make a little cash off it. In defense of public schools, my sister went to a private school and was doing terrible, they were understaffed. We switched her to public school where there were more people to help her and shes doing a lot better. Not to mention all the brats at private school making fun of her for not getting some of the material. The point I'm trying to make is that whether the school is public or private doesn't make a difference, there's gonna be good ones and bad ones with good students and poor ones. That's my two cent... more like 10 bucks.

Just because something happened to you doesn't give you a right to another's work. Remember, someone put time and effort into that, and they deserve to get paid back. Need isn't a blank check. If I invented a cure for cancer, I'd be charging a LOT of money for it. I'm sorry if you don't have the money, I am, but that doesn't mean I'm going to hand over all my work for nothing. I want a return on my effort.

On schools - the point isn't that all private schools are better, it's that pubic education is morally wrong. I have no desire to finance another's education, and I don't like to be forced to. As a student, I don't recognize the right of the state to tell me what I can and can't do for 6 hours of the day. And as a possible future parent, I don't recognize the state's right to take my child away from me without my consent. Also, education is a very valuable item that must be earned or bought, I don't think education should be free. Education is not a right, it is a privilege.

 

[Carthage]

How about this:

Public schools stop performing at status quo, and the system invests money to get them to the level they should be.:thumbup

I have been working with, and studying the public school system in my state, it at one point was doing fantastic, then a trainwreck happened....(I won't tell you his name, but his initials are GW Bush).

It's not all his fault, but he set the ball rolling, the no child left behind was a joke regardless of what anyone says, and there's NO REASON for a school district in my area to thrive, while across town schools get the MINIMUM requirements an children suffer because the district is "poor".

There are school districts so poor in fact, they have began to advertise on the school buses for money.

I am wroking on writing what I would like to see eventually to be a bill passed to "re-distribute" funding, and channel monies that are needed elsewhere to get all of the schools in my state back to where they should be.

I can feel a rant coming on....

Bush's problem was believing that public education could be saved at all. See my above post on why it's not just ineffective, but morally wrong.

 

[wednesday]

" If I invented a cure for cancer, I'd be charging a LOT of money for it."-Cartage
" Education is not a right, it is a privilege."-cartage
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Think enough is said in those two statements.....

 

[bass_man1989]

I guess it starts to become greed at one point, doctors in countries with free medical care aren't exactly poor.

*edit* I shouldn't say free, I should say nationalized.

 

[skyblue]

just a point carthage.......and i'm sure my fellow brits will back me up with this

over here we have a large population of 3rd and 4th generation indians.......most went to public schools yet many are now very succesful business men........its the work ethic............just because your educated privately doesn't mean that you will succeed in life.......even after the education you still have to work hard

the point is that they've seen life on the other side......many have been to india where you dont get opportunities......and in my opinion lots of people could learn from that

 

[Peter Parka]

^^^ This is true, the Indians, Chinese and Pakistani's generally get great grades in comp schools, it really is your work ethic, not so much where you were educated.

 

[Carthage]

just a point carthage.......and i'm sure my fellow brits will back me up with this

over here we have a large population of 3rd and 4th generation indians.......most went to public schools yet many are now very succesful business men........its the work ethic............just because your educated privately doesn't mean that you will succeed in life.......even after the education you still have to work hard

the point is that they've seen life on the other side......many have been to india where you dont get opportunities......and in my opinion lots of people could learn from that

I'm not protesting over the effectiveness of public schools - I'm protesting their very existence, and their moral right.

I guess it starts to become greed at one point, doctors in countries with free medical care aren't exactly poor.

*edit* I shouldn't say free, I should say nationalized.

Yeah, it's greed. To quote Gordon Gekko, "Greed is Good". I think everyone ought to be paid as much money as they deserve - and with doctors, it's a lot. A LOT. And the state doesn't have the right to pay doctors - the state is a PROTECTIVE organization, not a pay dispencer.

" If I invented a cure for cancer, I'd be charging a LOT of money for it."-Cartage
" Education is not a right, it is a privilege."-cartage
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Think enough is said in those two statements.....

My real name is "Thadius Main Jr." if you ever want to put those quotations somewhere. I'd rather they be applied to my real name rather then and internet user name, as they reflect my deepest beliefs.

 

[Strauss]

siasl say what??

Get use to it. You'd think he was paid by the word. His motto is "why say in 5 words what you can in 500". You just have to learn to throw out the wishy-washy-cover-my-ass crap and dig down to what he is really trying to say. After about 1000 of his posts you'll learn.