Porn star/teacher

[DanTastic]

There is a giant difference between a reabilitated child molester (who wouldn't be able to work with children regardless) and a former porn star (was she an actual porn star, or did she just act in porn?)

People consider porn to be such a depraved thing to be involved in, but honestly? It doesn't mean that the people involved in it are depraved or terrible people or unable to function in "normal" society. Are you going to try to take this poor woman's children from her next? Because, heaven forbid, she may try to force her loose morals on sexuality on them!

She is certainly responsible for being in porn, but so what? She's also responsible for leaving that industry, for attempting to make an honest living. Give her some credit.

INDEED, very well said

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I saw this on TV and thought it is a pretty good subject to discuss.

How would you feel if a teacher (that is teaching your child) use to be a porn star? Would it bother you that she is teaching your child or would you believe that everyone makes mistakes and that was her past?

The issue I seen on TV, was were the teacher use to be a porn star back in her younger days when she was homeless and her movies are still out for sale (there were 25 made). The school board where she was teaching found out about it and fired her. Do you think that was fair?

I think that's morally apprehensive and completely unfair. Firing someone for their past? Was being a porn star a crime? Does she have a criminal record? Did she show the tapes to her kids?

That was a lame decision by the school board. Her past had nothing to do with the present.

If she was showing the kids the tapes, talking about it, or if she was a bad teacher then yeah I can see her being fired with that being just ONE minute (long u sound) part of the claims against her.

 

[Sneakiecat]

How long has this teacher been teaching? I haven't been able to find any more information on this other than what's been posted.

 

[OUZBnd]

There is a giant difference between a reabilitated child molester (who wouldn't be able to work with children regardless) and a former porn star (was she an actual porn star, or did she just act in porn?)

People consider porn to be such a depraved thing to be involved in, but honestly? It doesn't mean that the people involved in it are depraved or terrible people or unable to function in "normal" society. Are you going to try to take this poor woman's children from her next? Because, heaven forbid, she may try to force her loose morals on sexuality on them!

She is certainly responsible for being in porn, but so what? She's also responsible for leaving that industry, for attempting to make an honest living. Give her some credit.

It is understood that people need to be held responsible for their actions, past or present. So would you allow someone who current is in the porn industry to teach in your schools?

Another point: Porn IS ILLEGAL for minors to view or be in. To have some who is engaging in an activity of which it is illegal for the student to participate or view is setting a bad example that I believe should not be set.

 

[andcuriouser]

It is understood that people need to be held responsible for their actions, past or present. So would you allow someone who current is in the porn industry to teach in your schools?

Another point: Porn IS ILLEGAL for minors to view or be in. To have some who is engaging in an activity of which it is illegal for the student to participate or view is setting a bad example that I believe should not be set.

Currently in the porn industry? Well, I don't see why someone would be teaching if that were the case, as they would probably be making enough money. I wouldn't see anything glaringly wrong with it. Not every person (in fact, the majority, even) working in the porn industry are not bad people. Many of them have children, husbands, wives. One of my best friends? Her mother works in a job where she makes sex toys all day. Anything wrong with that?

To the second point: I am aware that porn is illegal for minors to view or be in. The students are not viewing or being in the porn. If any student actually did view or see the porn, I wouldn't go after the teacher in the porn, but whoever gave them the porn in the first place!

 

[OUZBnd]

To the second point: I am aware that porn is illegal for minors to view or be in. The students are not viewing or being in the porn. If any student actually did view or see the porn, I wouldn't go after the teacher in the porn, but whoever gave them the porn in the first place!

Then would it be okay for a child molester to teach if the students did not participate in getting molested? Would it be okay for a murderer to teach the students as long as the students did not murder or watch him murder someone. I know these are extreme example way beyond pornography. But where draw the line, porn is a grey subject. Research shows all kinds of correlations between pornography and crime. A representative of that adult culture could be very bad for adolescent minds.

The school needs to be able to reserve the right to hire and fire based on some system of beliefs. Porn is Taboo. Porn is illegal in a public place. The School is a public place. A porn star teaching in school represents something that schools do not and should not want to be associated with.

The bottom line is that a porn star teaching students is a distraction to their learning. The school board has the right to eliminate that distraction at their discretion.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

How is someones past a distraction? Unless it's continually brought up and is the topic of discussion in her classes, the kids have no way of knowing.

Murders and molesters are one thing. They committed a crime against their fellow human beings, ex-porn stars are not criminals.

 

[OUZBnd]

It was obviously a distraction to the students. Just listen to the few people who have posted about similar situation in their classrooms, it was a distraction to them just as well. A porn star represents something that is illegal for the minors whom she instructs. Would you want your daughter to become a porn star? Be honest. Then why would you want her mentor to be a porn star? Teachers are supposed to be mentors, children are supposed to do what their mentors have done. If it is discovered your mentor was a pornstar then it could foster beliefs that it is okay to do it (at a minor age when it is illegal) since your mentor has also done it.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I saw this on TV and thought it is a pretty good subject to discuss.

How would you feel if a teacher (that is teaching your child) use to be a porn star? Would it bother you that she is teaching your child or would you believe that everyone makes mistakes and that was her past?

The issue I seen on TV, was were the teacher use to be a porn star back in her younger days when she was homeless and her movies are still out for sale (there were 25 made). The school board where she was teaching found out about it and fired her. Do you think that was fair?

It was obviously a distraction to the students. Just listen to the few people who have posted about similar situation in their classrooms, it was a distraction to them just as well. A porn star represents something that is illegal for the minors whom she instructs. Would you want your daughter to become a porn star? Be honest. Then why would you want her mentor to be a porn star? Teachers are supposed to be mentors, children are supposed to do what their mentors have done. If it is discovered your mentor was a pornstar then it could foster beliefs that it is okay to do it (at a minor age when it is illegal) since your mentor has also done it.

Going from the first post, the school board found out about it and simply fired her because of it. Nothing was said of it being a distraction to the students, the school board simply fired her because of how she used to make money in the past. That's the point, as far as we can tell it wasn't getting any attention until the school board found out and kicked her out simply because of it.

I thought school boards did background & credential checks prior to hiring teachers? Maybe she lied on her application, or did something that was against the rules set forth by the board. Then I could understand why. But I think it's unfair to simply fire someone because they had sex on video in the past.

That's my opinion on it unless the entire story is shown and it became a BIG distraction in the class room.

 

[SilentEyz]

Going from the first post, the school board found out about it and simply fired her because of it. Nothing was said of it being a distraction to the students, the school board simply fired her because of how she used to make money in the past. That's the point, as far as we can tell it wasn't getting any attention until the school board found out and kicked her out simply because of it.

I thought school boards did background & credential checks prior to hiring teachers? Maybe she lied on her application, or did something that was against the rules set forth by the board. Then I could understand why. But I think it's unfair to simply fire someone because they had sex on video in the past.

That's my opinion on it unless the entire story is shown and it became a BIG distraction in the class room.

If only that were true.. They are supposed to, but most of them only do local Checks.. And .. OMG dont even want me to get started on that... Do you know most teachers accused of sexual misconduct on students come from other schools where they did the same thing, but Hey they always come with high recomendations from the previous schools. the Whole hiring system is a joke.

 

[OUZBnd]

Going from the first post, the school board found out about it and simply fired her because of it. Nothing was said of it being a distraction to the students, the school board simply fired her because of how she used to make money in the past. That's the point, as far as we can tell it wasn't getting any attention until the school board found out and kicked her out simply because of it.

I thought school boards did background & credential checks prior to hiring teachers? Maybe she lied on her application, or did something that was against the rules set forth by the board. Then I could understand why. But I think it's unfair to simply fire someone because they had sex on video in the past.

That's my opinion on it unless the entire story is shown and it became a BIG distraction in the class room.

You fail to see my point James... which is fine, i just don't feel like trying to explain it anymore then I already did.

 

[Sneakiecat]

If only that were true.. They are supposed to, but most of them only do local Checks.. And .. OMG dont even want me to get started on that... Do you know most teachers accused of sexual misconduct on students come from other schools where they did the same thing, but Hey they always come with high recomendations from the previous schools. the Whole hiring system is a joke.

I'm interning starting in January and they do a complete background check. There have been students from my college who didn't disclose certain things (I think one was a drug charges and another was shoplifting) and no school wanted them there as an intern. Then there was another student who had past charges (I don't remember what) and was honest with the school district and they were later hired. But Florida has had a major change in laws recently. You have to sign in and out in the front office, and wear a bright yellow (at least in this county) name badge. Anybody who could come in contact with kids (volunteers, delivery people) have to have a state background check, if not one done by the FBI.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

You fail to see my point James... which is fine, i just don't feel like trying to explain it anymore then I already did.

I see your point. But our opinions clash.

 

[SilentEyz]

I'm interning starting in January and they do a complete background check. There have been students from my college who didn't disclose certain things (I think one was a drug charges and another was shoplifting) and no school wanted them there as an intern. Then there was another student who had past charges (I don't remember what) and was honest with the school district and they were later hired. But Florida has had a major change in laws recently. You have to sign in and out in the front office, and wear a bright yellow (at least in this county) name badge. Anybody who could come in contact with kids (volunteers, delivery people) have to have a state background check, if not one done by the FBI.

Interns with no teaching history will be checked more the seasoned teachers,

Most States require a criminal background check for school employees, but some school's only check state databases NOT national ones like the FBI's national crime Information Center.

This Porn-star teacher.. She could threaten to Sue the School and would probably recieve a letter of recomendation to attach to her resume.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Like I said, Florida's laws have changed a lot because of Jessie's Law (Jessica Lunsford Act)
American School Board Journal: December 2005
Testimony of Donna Uzzell

If the teacher in question was not tenured and the state laws are anything like the ones I know, she wouldn't have a case.

Teachers' Rights: Encyclopedia of Everyday Law

 

[OUZBnd]

Employers have no rights anymore. The employee can whine and moan about something then make a threat with a lawsuit. It pisses me off to no end how people abuse the system. I hear people bitch everyday about have to "work" at work, not getting their nap in, etc etc. Someone gets fired over not doing what they are supposed to do and look out, here comes the law suit. A teacher gets fired because she most likely lied about her past, then in was discovered, and people start screaming lawsuit.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Employers have no rights anymore. The employee can whine and moan about something then make a threat with a lawsuit. It pisses me off to no end how people abuse the system. I hear people bitch everyday about have to "work" at work, not getting their nap in, etc etc. Someone gets fired over not doing what they are supposed to do and look out, here comes the law suit. A teacher gets fired because she most likely lied about her past, then in was discovered, and people start screaming lawsuit.

Indiana is an 'at will' employment state. Someone can be fired for any reason, aside from race, religion, or creed. The employee can't do shit about it, and a lawyer will tell him that.

 

[SilentEyz]

Employers have no rights anymore. The employee can whine and moan about something then make a threat with a lawsuit. It pisses me off to no end how people abuse the system. I hear people bitch everyday about have to "work" at work, not getting their nap in, etc etc. Someone gets fired over not doing what they are supposed to do and look out, here comes the law suit. A teacher gets fired because she most likely lied about her past, then in was discovered, and people start screaming lawsuit.

Don;t get me wrong, I don't think she should sue, or should be able to sue.. I was just stating why so many bad teachers or risky teachers continue to get Jobs.

I agree with you though, It is ridiculus that people are so easiy allowed to manipulate the systems they work in with such trivial complaints.

 

[andcuriouser]

We don't know that this teacher lied about her past. We don't know that she wasn't a good teacher.

Let's say she was a good teacher. Let's say she was an absolutely BRILLIANT fantastic teacher. And she didn't lie about her past (as Sneakiecat illustrated, honesty does count). Let's say she absolutely enjoyed every minute of teaching. It is her life's passion. She isn't doing porn now, she has children, an education.

Every event in our life is not cause and effect.

If that were the case, would you fire me from a teaching position (pretend I am a fairly good teacher)? As a victim of child abuse, I am statistically more likely to abuse children. Does that mean I can't teach or be in a career with children?

 

[OUZBnd]

Lets use deductive logic and think this one all the way through. If she didn't lie, or even didn't admit to being a porn star in the past, then they would have already known of her history and not had to fire her upon enlightment of the truth (perhaps she would have never been hired in the first place, or if she was, then they would have known up front, either way it elimates this situation). In the interview you get asked in some way shape or form "is there anything we should know about you or your past?" This is something that never fails to be asked in an interview. When you deny the truth it is the same as lying. If she got hired based on her false statements, then she is under no right to retain the position she was hired into.