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Great article which I can't link to because its only available to subscribers, so I'll snip part. This is explains why we conservatives aren't in "exile":

Back to Basics, Ahead to Particulars
Reflect on your beliefs, then explain their relevance


YUVAL LEVIN

The first challenge, to rediscover the essential views that bind us, has always been crucial for conservatives. We are not fundamentally a coalition of interest groups clamoring for material support, but a coalition of adherents to a set of views we think should guide our country as it governs itself.

The common core of beliefs that unites conservatives lies deep, providing a foundation but not a whole political edifice. Just about everyone who calls himself a conservative, for instance, is more grateful for what works in our world than angry about what doesn’t. And just about everyone who calls himself a conservative believes that the most significant human problems result from human failings, rather than from imperfect distributions of material resources — and so are permanent rather than transitory.

Because we are grateful and impressed that anything works at all, we value the social and political arrangements that make things work, and we seek to build on what is best about them rather than start over. Different institutions have evolved this way over time to address permanent human problems.

The family is our way of contending with permanent moral imperfection and the permanent challenge of rearing the young. The next generation begins where every human generation has always begun, not where the latest liberal education fad left off. It must be raised more or less as good men and women through the ages have always been raised, and must be offered an example of time-tested moral living. Future moral progress has to be continuous with past moral progress.

The market is our way of contending with permanent intellectual imperfection, and of channeling individual avarice toward common prosperity in a free society. Alternative ways of pursuing prosperity tend to fail because they fall back on two delusions: that we can know enough to govern the economy in every detail, and that a reallocation of resources can eradicate poverty.

A strong military and an attitude of watchful caution are our ways of contending with the permanent belligerence of mankind and the permanent danger of hostile nations with an interest in weakening or harming us. We do not think that the absence of perfect peace is the result of temporary misunderstandings, and we have learned from history that peace is best achieved through confidence, strength, and interest-driven alliances abroad — and through economic prosperity and moral constancy at home.

In the light of these general views, drawn from even more general premises, the conservative coalition does not seem incoherent. Social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and national-security conservatives generally stick together because their roots are intertwined. These different elements — for all their disputes and occasional serious contradictions — are mixed together, if prioritized differently, not only in large coalitions, but in particular individuals, and indeed in most American conservatives.

Conservative beliefs are not particular policies or particular attitudes about this tax or that program, but they do tend to yield some general attitudes about government and politics. Conservatives usually believe, for instance, that government power corrodes the roots of self-reliance, and therefore of both family and freedom, and so should be used only where necessary. From this belief, we tend to reason that the liberal welfare state undermines what works best about our society without addressing what fails to work.

In various ways, however, conservatives also tend to believe there is a role for government in helping people ease the tension that modern capitalism creates between families and markets. Fiscal conservatives are not opposed to government regulation of the financial markets, provided the goal is to help the market work and not to replace it. Social conservatives are not opposed to public assistance to the poor, provided its aims are to strengthen and grow families and not to replace them. These general views inform conservative policy judgments, but specific judgments must always respond to particular problems.

This forces conservatives to confront their second challenge: understanding the problems of the day. We have fared more poorly on this front than on the first, and have been tempted too often to define the problems we face by the solutions we already have. We must acknowledge that liberals have diagnosed some American worries correctly. Working parents find themselves anxious. Uncertain health coverage, wage stagnation, and the rising costs of raising families are not figments of their imagination. The stresses of globalization are also very real, and pose a complicated mix of problems and opportunities for workers, parents, companies, and America’s future strength. We cannot ignore these problems simply because our past policy prescriptions won’t solve them. We have to see why they are genuine public worries, and apply our principles and ingenuity to addressing them.

But doing so does not require us to understand these issues as the Left has. Much as conservatives do, liberals often confuse diagnosis with prescription; they have decided the country is desperately crying out for enervating, expensive, European-style social democracy. It is not. Conservatives should see public concerns as symptoms not of desperation but of aspiration, which we should support and encourage by removing barriers to success and sources of anxiety — many of them, but not all, caused by ill-designed government policies.

Figuring out just how to do that is the third challenge we face, and addressing it well will help us better deal with the first two. Conservatives need to call upon their inner wonks (and upon their army of real-life academic and think-tank wonks) and become a party of reform again, as we were in the 1980s and ’90s. Reform means translating our ideals into specific legislative goals. What these will consist of is not settled by the term “reform.” In itself, the word does not imply an ideological disposition, but a desire to turn to particulars.

There will not always be unanimity among conservatives about exactly what reforms to pursue and how. But internal disputes should revolve around specific proposals. In practice, the differences among conservatives will be both smaller and clearer than they are in theory and abstraction. Competing efforts to use conservative principles to address governing challenges will make for more constructive debates. The debates will also get us thinking about how to explain our principles in terms of the challenges voters face.

The fact that the Democrats won this election does not mean we have to become Democrats. And the fact that Republicans have won in the past does not mean we have to do exactly what they did. Rather, what we believe and what troubles Americans ought to guide our efforts. We have an opportunity to present Americans with an attractive vision of themselves and their future — a vision that could appeal to a broad swath of voters, rather than to just the right combination of micro-categories.
 
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if they left them to 3.00 a gallon people would get used to it. if it gets down to 25.00 and then shoots back up people will be pissed again.
 

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if they left them to 3.00 a gallon people would get used to it. if it gets down to 25.00 and then shoots back up people will be pissed again.


The industry doesn't care if people get mad. It's market driven, hence no feelings;)

The price, believe it or not, is even beyond oil companies:willy_nilly:

Wall St. in accordance with OPEC, and a few other variables sets pricing, and I can tell you right now, all OPEC cares about is having enough money to buy Sterling Silver Audi's and finance Jihad:ninja

Saudi, Venezuela, Iran....They need to go down
 

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And speculated to dip to $25:eek

wow had not heard that

yesterday paid $1.55 for gas and filled up the Durango for $35

6 months ago that would have been $80

too bad we could not get some stability where we could keep the gas at this level and throw in a twenty five cent tax for R&D on new technology

I would buy another similar sized vehicle but I know the gas is gonna double before we know it.

Makes one wonder just who is controlling the price strings. Now if home heating would drop in a similar fashion it would be another Clintonian tax cut :D
 

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wow had not heard that

yesterday paid $1.55 for gas and filled up the Durango for $35

6 months ago that would have been $80

too bad we could not get some stability where we could keep the gas at this level and throw in a twenty five cent tax for R&D on new technology

I would buy another similar sized vehicle but I know the gas is gonna double before we know it.

Makes one wonder just who is controlling the price strings. Now if home heating would drop in a similar fashion it would be another Clintonian tax cut :D


Here's reality, we are going tohave to cut back on consumption to impact pricing long term.

Here is how the strategy would be if I were in control:

Cut back over 5 years 10-15% of total consumption

Develop clean fuels first, then move to electric

Increase domestic production to meet demand only, no jockeying with supplies

Outlaw speculation

Denounce OPEC and encourage ally countries to dis-band OPEC

More to come..
 

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only problem with your plan is our infrastructure would need a massive upgrade on the electric to handle electric cars.

also would need faster charging batteries. something where in less than 10 minute a dead battery could be fully re charged much like a cell phone when on a car charger.

It would take years to upgrade the electric grid and would take a lot of nuclear power.

kind of hard to envision either given the financial status of the country and the enviro nuts out there.

I think it will take something like hydrogen to be the final answer. although if they could develop solar that would have the ability to charge batteries for driving in the dark that might be an idea. none of this is gonna happen for a long time though
 

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The oil cartel is at loggerheads. Some member countries want to cut back production while others say they wanna increase production cuz cuting back effecting revenues and prices continue to fall despite cutbacks
 

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only problem with your plan is our infrastructure would need a massive upgrade on the electric to handle electric cars.

also would need faster charging batteries. something where in less than 10 minute a dead battery could be fully re charged much like a cell phone when on a car charger.

It would take years to upgrade the electric grid and would take a lot of nuclear power.

kind of hard to envision either given the financial status of the country and the enviro nuts out there.

I think it will take something like hydrogen to be the final answer. although if they could develop solar that would have the ability to charge batteries for driving in the dark that might be an idea. none of this is gonna happen for a long time though


Statistcially, most Americans do not travel more than 40 miles round trip per day, that is a good target audience for the start, and technology has developed to the point where 100+ miles on a full charge is possible.

And I promise you, what it takes to charge Li Ion batteries isn't going o tax the pre-existing grids near as bad as you might think.

Producing Hydrogen would take twice the infrastructure simply based on the enerygy it takes to produce it.
 

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Statistcially, most Americans do not travel more than 40 miles round trip per day, that is a good target audience for the start, and technology has developed to the point where 100+ miles on a full charge is possible.

And I promise you, what it takes to charge Li Ion batteries isn't going o tax the pre-existing grids near as bad as you might think.

Producing Hydrogen would take twice the infrastructure simply based on the enerygy it takes to produce it.

On the radio before the elections they had the head of the power company talking about this. McCain was in town to talk to this person and go thru the Fermi Plant. The power grid is not equipped to handle everybody being on electric. He said they could handle a percentage such as what is expected in the next 10 years but no way they could provide enough to every if all new cars were electric by then
 

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On the radio before the elections they had the head of the power company talking about this. McCain was in town to talk to this person and go thru the Fermi Plant. The power grid is not equipped to handle everybody being on electric. He said they could handle a percentage such as what is expected in the next 10 years but no way they could provide enough to every if all new cars were electric by then


We'll never get "everybody" on electric, technically it will be next to impossible in our lifetime to make the changes needed.

You gotta think a little smaller Allen, what you have heard is a scare tactic;)

Energy is something I am pretty well versed in:ninja

One could say
 

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We'll never get "everybody" on electric, technically it will be next to impossible in our lifetime to make the changes needed.

You gotta think a little smaller Allen, what you have heard is a scare tactic;)

Energy is something I am pretty well versed in:ninja

One could say

obviously it will be a long time to be all electric

I tried to find what amperage the charges use. no luck

they talk about quick charge to 90% capacity in an hour but then talk about all not on a normal charge
 

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obviously it will be a long time to be all electric

I tried to find what amperage the charges use. no luck

they talk about quick charge to 90% capacity in an hour but then talk about all not on a normal charge


The newest generation of Li Ion batteries charge fast and potentially can outlive most humans, up until now, there hasn't been an emphasis on development.
 

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The newest generation of Li Ion batteries charge fast and potentially can outlive most humans, up until now, there hasn't been an emphasis on development.

so they are not in use?

I did not realize there were quite a few companies that retrofit cars to electric.

but they all refer to what i am guessing are lead acid batteries. or whatever you call it.

these Li Ion will probably be a lot more expensive.

still curious as to what the amperage is during charging.

can't be real low. hell a damn hair blower pulls 12 amps. :eek
 

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so they are not in use?

I did not realize there were quite a few companies that retrofit cars to electric.

but they all refer to what i am guessing are lead acid batteries. or whatever you call it.

these Li Ion will probably be a lot more expensive.

still curious as to what the amperage is during charging.

can't be real low. hell a damn hair blower pulls 12 amps. :eek


Tesla is one of the only companies I know of that uses them, due to the high cost, and I mean higher than giraffe pussy
 

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so they are not in use?

I did not realize there were quite a few companies that retrofit cars to electric.

but they all refer to what i am guessing are lead acid batteries. or whatever you call it.

these Li Ion will probably be a lot more expensive.

still curious as to what the amperage is during charging.

can't be real low. hell a damn hair blower pulls 12 amps. :eek
I know the quick-charging batteries all charge off of 240v (overnight charging on 120v), so they must be pulling more than what would be 15 amps on a 120v circuit. For the sake of argument, lets say they pull 15 amps on a 240v circuit, or double what a typical 120v circuit could handle, for 1 hour to do a quick-charge.

Now, say that half of all people in America get an electric car in the next 10 years (again, just for the sake of argument here).

Finally, say that each of these people recharge their cars once a day.

In 10 years:
240v x 15a = 3600w
3600w x 150 million people = 540 billion watts
540 billion / 24 hours = 22.5 billion w/hr
= 22.5 million kilowatts
= 22.5 thousand megawatts
= 22.5 gigawatts

Now, I have no idea what our current nation-wide electrical consumption versus total capacity is... anyone want to research that? We'd need an extra 22.5 gigawatts per hour to feed 150 million electric cars according to my very crude guesstimations. And that's if people charged their vehicles in staggered timing around the clock too... so potentially, peak times could be 3-4 times that amount.
 
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