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retro - what EXACTLY has Obama done wrong?

did he go and blow up the oil himself???


so confused as to why people are blaming a politician for an oil leak....????
 
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retro - what EXACTLY has Obama done wrong?

did he go and blow up the oil himself???


so confused as to why people are blaming a politician for an oil leak....????

Dear GOD Janie... have you simply not read a single damn thing that I said? The administration has completely fucked this entire situation up. The only thing that they've done is point fucking fingers and blame people rather than actually do anything about it. They refused help from the Netherlands. How many times am I going to have to say that. They didn't get any of the booms out of storage to help with the problem. How many times am I going to have to say that? They denied requests by state governments to build barrier islands. How many times am I going to have to say that?

Does nobody actually pay attention to what's said around here?
 

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Dear GOD Janie... have you simply not read a single damn thing that I said? The administration has completely fucked this entire situation up. The only thing that they've done is point fucking fingers and blame people rather than actually do anything about it. They refused help from the Netherlands. How many times am I going to have to say that. They didn't get any of the booms out of storage to help with the problem. How many times am I going to have to say that? They denied requests by state governments to build barrier islands. How many times am I going to have to say that?

Does nobody actually pay attention to what's said around here?
Instead of always blaming Obama why haven't you said anything against the EPA and / or responded to my post about that?. That's where it should have started and they did squat.
 

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Instead of always blaming Obama why haven't you said anything against the EPA and / or responded to my post about that?. That's where it should have started and they did squat.

and the head of the EPA reports directly to the President
 

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Dear GOD Janie... have you simply not read a single damn thing that I said? The administration has completely fucked this entire situation up. The only thing that they've done is point fucking fingers and blame people rather than actually do anything about it. They refused help from the Netherlands. How many times am I going to have to say that. They didn't get any of the booms out of storage to help with the problem. How many times am I going to have to say that? They denied requests by state governments to build barrier islands. How many times am I going to have to say that?

Does nobody actually pay attention to what's said around here?

not letting holland help was a huge mistake




They have not denied requests to build barrier islands...they ARE building barrier islands. It's not as easy as it may sound...
And they have a shit ton of boon - they don't need more. Boons don't work most the time anyways...it's the ocean - boons kind of move and water gets over them...

you people have no clue so simmer down and go back to your corner of where ever you live.

Quit blaming the wrong people.
 

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There are a whole lot of other factors involved here that people seem to be willing to realize.

you mean like BP, Transocean, and the US government are all transnational economies, with interests that have little do to with the lives of us "small" people? :ninja

none of them are innocent: they've all played their part in this

but the truth is, so have we.....they are the producers of the stuff that makes our world go 'round, and we'd all be lost without the crude.....i doubt that any of us want to spend our lives washing clothes by hand and travelling by horse and buggy....unless we are willing to pay for the experience :p

the frustration here is palatable...and completely understandable....i'd suggest that the most that can be done is to hop a flight to the gulf and help out where you can....it a much healthier use of your energy.
 

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I'm actually far more critical of the Obama administration than I am of BP. Sure, BP were the ones that were leasing the platform, but they weren't the owners. People in the Obama administration gave that rig a safety award, and Obama has completely bungled the situation. He just now met with the CEO of BP... he should've done that right after this happened. There were booms in a warehouse, and are still there, that could've been used. Lousiana and the other states wanted to create barrier islands, they weren't allowed to do so. The Netherlands offered boats to come and clean up the mess, we didn't accept. It's been fucked up from the get go... and now he's pointing fingers toward BP when he's fucked up every bit as badly as they have.

Then why was everyone up in arms over the fact that Bush didn't do enough after Katrina? This entire mess has been bungled from all angles by his administration. They didn't let the governors of the states that are effected do anything to try and prevent it from reaching their shores. They didn't get the booms out of storage and they still haven't. They didn't accept help from the Netherlands when it was offered. He didn't meet with the BP President until this week. All he's done that's "presidential" is point fingers. He has absolutely no leadership capabilities whatsoever. He can sound good on television and in front of an audience when he's reading prepared speeches from his teleprompter, but he has absolutely no executive experience whatsoever.

This isn't an anti-Obama rant... these are just the facts involved here.

Line by line, this is exactly what Hannity is spouting. I guess I know where you get your "news". :24:

The complete ant total hypocrisy kills me... I thought the government was too big. I thought if business fucked up the government shouldn't step in, like wall street. Wasn't it you guys screaming that the government should have just let them go out of business? So how is this any different? It's BP's mess, shouldn't they be cleaning it up? If the mess isn't being cleaned up right or fast enough, isn't that on the back of the company that made the mess? The federal government and states shouldn't shell out a SINGLE fucking penny to fix this.

And to compare this to Katrina is idiotic... Bush was lambasted for not sending help to those who were drowning days after the hurricane hit. Almost 2000 people died, most of those died days after the hurricane waiting for help to arrive. This is where the federal government should have stepped in, to save lives instead of standing back watching them die.
 

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Line by line, this is exactly what Hannity is spouting. I guess I know where you get your "news". :24:

The complete ant total hypocrisy kills me... I thought the government was too big. I thought if business fucked up the government shouldn't step in, like wall street. Wasn't it you guys screaming that the government should have just let them go out of business? So how is this any different? It's BP's mess, shouldn't they be cleaning it up? If the mess isn't being cleaned up right or fast enough, isn't that on the back of the company that made the mess? The federal government and states shouldn't shell out a SINGLE fucking penny to fix this.

And to compare this to Katrina is idiotic... Bush was lambasted for not sending help to those who were drowning days after the hurricane hit. Almost 2000 people died, most of those died days after the hurricane waiting for help to arrive. This is where the federal government should have stepped in, to save lives instead of standing back watching them die.

you are like a broken record and miss the point as always :24:
 

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you are like a broken record and miss the point as always :24:

No, I got the point.

I just found it funny that each and every point he made were the EXACT points, in order that Hannity has made for the last few weeks. How the hell can I take him seriously???
 

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No, I got the point.

I just found it funny that each and every point he made were the EXACT points, in order that Hannity has made for the last few weeks. How the hell can I take him seriously???

you just don't like Obama getting the same bullshit treatment that Bush did :D
 

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Less regulation and smaller government.... well unless we want to use your lack of response and resources against you.

You republicans/libertarians are fucking hypocrites. If you held true to your "values" you would demand the federal government stay out of it and the responsible party fix it.
 

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I'm actually far more critical of the Obama administration than I am of BP.

Of course you are, no surprises there. Maybe you should reserve a little disdain for the previous administration who served up America to the oil companies on a platter.

why?
I don't think it can get under control, and there's no one to blame except BP for making the mistake in the first place.

It's kind of like Pandora's Box - you can't blame people who are trying to help close it because it's nearly impossible - you can only blame those responsible for opening it in the first place.

If blame is to be assigned on the Presidential level, Bush/Cheney should get the top spot. If our politically expedient forum members want to blame Obama, they can do that because he did not straighten out that oil office since taking office, but it seems like he is on it now, not that it would have made any difference if he had been on it sooner regarding this particular accident. My understanding was that there were several warning signs prior to the kaboom and BP dropped the ball.
 
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you just don't like Obama getting the same bullshit treatment that Bush did :D

Not true at all. I think Obama is doing a terrible job at getting this under control with the clean up and I'll be the first to say so.

But this isn't his fault. BP was required to have a plan in place along with the resources to clean up any potential mess, in that, they are failing. So who's fault is it?
 

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now i have this question......theres been a huge criticism of bp in america,rightly so too.....but flip the coin over.....if this was an american company drilling off the coast of perhaps india and the same thing happened....would you all be as critical?.......i think not

The level of criticism is due to 1) the nature of the disaster and 2) the local impact. So yes the level of criticism on this end is partially due to local impact. No different than if this had occurred off the coast of Brighton. What would the English and French be saying in that case? :)

and Obama's administration isn't? :24:

Here is a reference: Bush Ignored Warnings. What's yours?

A decade ago, U.S. government regulators warned that a major deepwater oil spill could start with a fire on a drilling rig, prove hard to stop and cause extensive damage to fish eggs and wetlands because there were few good ways to capture oil underwater.

The Bush administration, however, was not interested in hearing about such warnings:
Yet over the past decade, the risks faded into the background as America thirsted for new oil sources, the energy industry mastered new drilling technologies and the number of deepwater wells in the Gulf swelled into the thousands. Then-President George W. Bush ushered in the new era with an executive order on May 18, 2001, that pushed his new administration to speed up the search for oil.

"I think it was certainly overwhelmed by the excitement of all the oil and gas that was starting to show up in the seismic studies and the technical excitement of how to drill these reservoirs," said Rick Steiner, a veteran environmental scientist who reviewed the document for McClatchy. "I think that had a way of subduing the real concern about the risk of these things."​
 
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That's what I've been trying to tell you. Thanks for making my point.

As near as I could tell, you were saying that Obama had nothing to do with anything and that the blame should be on the EPA. My point was that the head of the EPA reports directly to Obama, so it was a systematic failure within his organization.

They have not denied requests to build barrier islands...they ARE building barrier islands. It's not as easy as it may sound...
And they have a shit ton of boon - they don't need more. Boons don't work most the time anyways...it's the ocean - boons kind of move and water gets over them...

you people have no clue so simmer down and go back to your corner of where ever you live.

Quit blaming the wrong people.

So because you live in Louisiana you know everything and the rest of us are clueless? :24: That'd be like me telling you that since you don't live in California you don't know how earthquakes work. As far as barrier islands go, Jindal was told he couldn't build them at first, wasting precious time. The Administration has turned down foreign aid; and there has been a wholesale lack of leadership from the top down.

Line by line, this is exactly what Hannity is spouting. I guess I know where you get your "news". :24:

The complete ant total hypocrisy kills me... I thought the government was too big. I thought if business fucked up the government shouldn't step in, like wall street. Wasn't it you guys screaming that the government should have just let them go out of business? So how is this any different? It's BP's mess, shouldn't they be cleaning it up? If the mess isn't being cleaned up right or fast enough, isn't that on the back of the company that made the mess? The federal government and states shouldn't shell out a SINGLE fucking penny to fix this.

And to compare this to Katrina is idiotic... Bush was lambasted for not sending help to those who were drowning days after the hurricane hit. Almost 2000 people died, most of those died days after the hurricane waiting for help to arrive. This is where the federal government should have stepped in, to save lives instead of standing back watching them die.

No, I got the point.

I just found it funny that each and every point he made were the EXACT points, in order that Hannity has made for the last few weeks. How the hell can I take him seriously???

Less regulation and smaller government.... well unless we want to use your lack of response and resources against you.

You republicans/libertarians are fucking hypocrites. If you held true to your "values" you would demand the federal government stay out of it and the responsible party fix it.

You're once again proving that you know exactly jack and shit about Libertarianism. I believe in a small government, not in no government (for no government, go talk to ed ;) ). Do I really have to go through the Federalist Papers with you or something. Any small government proponent would tell you that this situation is one that the government should be involved in. It doesn't effect a single state or a single sub-section of people... it effects and entire region, as well as other countries; and that's just considering the environmental effects. BP needs to fix the mess, but the federal government needs to be involved as well... and all there's really been from them is pointing fingers. Like I've said over and over and over again.... there has been a wholesale lack of leadership on this issue from the beginning.

As far as me supposedly getting all of my news from Hannity... hardly. Here's where I get about 95% of my news from:

Drudge
Google
Yahoo
MSNBC
USA Today

I also read the Huffington Post, NY Times, LA Times, and a few other publications. As far as Hannity goes, I've listened to him a couple of times in the last few months. I've also listened to NPR, Rush, Beck, Levin, and a bunch of local radio hosts as well. I actually didn't hear what I've talked about here from Hannity... that came from actually reading the news. *gasp* What a concept.

But since you seemed to know that's what Hannity has been saying, I guess I shouldn't take you seriously because you've obviously been listening to him. No wait, I shouldn't take you seriously because you voted for Obama for President. :p
 
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