ok...this oil spill

[skyblue]

its a major disaster i agree.....and when the facts eventually come out i'm not sure that people in bp and people in america will come out whiter than white.

now i have this question......theres been a huge criticism of bp in america,rightly so too.....but flip the coin over.....if this was an american company drilling off the coast of perhaps india and the same thing happened....would you all be as critical?.......i think not

 

[retro]

its a major disaster i agree.....and when the facts eventually come out i'm not sure that people in bp and people in america will come out whiter than white.

now i have this question......theres been a huge criticism of bp in america,rightly so too.....but flip the coin over.....if this was an american company drilling off the coast of perhaps india and the same thing happened....would you all be as critical?.......i think not

I'm actually far more critical of the Obama administration than I am of BP. Sure, BP were the ones that were leasing the platform, but they weren't the owners. People in the Obama administration gave that rig a safety award, and Obama has completely bungled the situation. He just now met with the CEO of BP... he should've done that right after this happened. There were booms in a warehouse, and are still there, that could've been used. Lousiana and the other states wanted to create barrier islands, they weren't allowed to do so. The Netherlands offered boats to come and clean up the mess, we didn't accept. It's been fucked up from the get go... and now he's pointing fingers toward BP when he's fucked up every bit as badly as they have.

 

[Guyzerr]

ffs Obama is the President and as such he shouldn't have to get involved in an oil spill. It's the American anti-Obama public that's demanding he do something. wtf is he supposed to do ... swim down 5000' and stick his fucking finger in it? There isn't any country or company that's ever had to deal with something on this scale and because of that nobody has a fucking clue what to do in order to stop it " yesterday ". This is going to take months to stop if it ever is stopped and it sure isn't going to listen to the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

And sky if the mess was created by a Canadian company of some third world countries shore I'd be just as pissed off.

 

[retro]

ffs Obama is the President and as such he shouldn't have to get involved in an oil spill. It's the American anti-Obama public that's demanding he do something. wtf is he supposed to do ... swim down 5000' and stick his fucking finger in it? There isn't any country or company that's ever had to deal with something on this scale and because of that nobody has a fucking clue what to do in order to stop it " yesterday ". This is going to take months to stop if it ever is stopped and it sure isn't going to listen to the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

And sky if the mess was created by a Canadian company of some third world countries shore I'd be just as pissed off.

Then why was everyone up in arms over the fact that Bush didn't do enough after Katrina? This entire mess has been bungled from all angles by his administration. They didn't let the governors of the states that are effected do anything to try and prevent it from reaching their shores. They didn't get the booms out of storage and they still haven't. They didn't accept help from the Netherlands when it was offered. He didn't meet with the BP President until this week. All he's done that's "presidential" is point fingers. He has absolutely no leadership capabilities whatsoever. He can sound good on television and in front of an audience when he's reading prepared speeches from his teleprompter, but he has absolutely no executive experience whatsoever.

This isn't an anti-Obama rant... these are just the facts involved here.

 

[JanieDough]

its a major disaster i agree.....and when the facts eventually come out i'm not sure that people in bp and people in america will come out whiter than white.

now i have this question......theres been a huge criticism of bp in america,rightly so too.....but flip the coin over.....if this was an american company drilling off the coast of perhaps india and the same thing happened....would you all be as critical?.......i think not

it doesn't matter if they are brittish or american!

why do you think we care one way or the other?

NO ONE over here is saying "fucking brits"

they are just saying "I hope BP does right."

so wtf sky? and you said BP wasn't leading an ad campaign trying to convince people that americans were blaming brits...:willy_nilly::willy_nilly:


it's not a nationality thing, it's a company fucked up thing


and yes oh yes they would be making the same stink. Exxon...Valdez...

 

[Kyle B]

I'm just sick and tired of hearing the government play the blame game. In the end, I'm going to hold the President accountable, just like BP, for not getting this problem under control.

 

[JanieDough]

I'm just sick and tired of hearing the government play the blame game. In the end, I'm going to hold the President accountable, just like BP, for not getting this problem under control.

why?



I don't think it can get under control, and there's no one to blame except BP for making the mistake in the first place.

It's kind of like Pandora's Box - you can't blame people who are trying to help close it because it's nearly impossible - you can only blame those responsible for opening it in the first place.



I am not pro Obama or anti Obama, but I think the government has been as involved as it knows how to be.


A bunch of people from down here are trying to explain to the rest of the US how this whole business and engineering works and why a moratorium on drilling in the gulf is a bad idea, etc. and they just don't fucking understand.


I can't blame them for not being knowledgeable about the situation, and they are doing as much as I think they can at the moment.

BP needs to just step up it's game and accept ALL the blame.

 

[Kyle B]

why?



I don't think it can get under control, and there's no one to blame except BP for making the mistake in the first place.

It's kind of like Pandora's Box - you can't blame people who are trying to help close it because it's nearly impossible - you can only blame those responsible for opening it in the first place.



I am not pro Obama or anti Obama, but I think the government has been as involved as it knows how to be.


A bunch of people from down here are trying to explain to the rest of the US how this whole business and engineering works and why a moratorium on drilling in the gulf is a bad idea, etc. and they just don't fucking understand.


I can't blame them for not being knowledgeable about the situation, and they are doing as much as I think they can at the moment.

BP needs to just step up it's game and accept ALL the blame.

True, BP is to blame because the problem started with them, I don't deny that.

However, this is a disaster that effects a huge amount of people across a huge area. When something like this happens, I expect both the corporation and the government to get involved. The government has a responsibility to respond to the disaster, just as BP does.

Instead, the government would rather haul BP executives before committees and continue to grill them. Yep, I get it, BP was at fault. Now let's concentrate on getting this under control.

 

[JanieDough]

True, BP is to blame because the problem started with them, I don't deny that.

However, this is a disaster that effects a huge amount of people across a huge area. When something like this happens, I expect both the corporation and the government to get involved. The government has a responsibility to respond to the disaster, just as BP does.

Instead, the government would rather haul BP executives before committees and continue to grill them. Yep, I get it, BP was at fault. Now let's concentrate on getting this under control.

They are doing more than that Kyle.

They have every coast guard member in the Gulf region out there working - they have coordinated many clean-up efforts, and they are collecting data.

There is nothing but busy business down here with cleaning up the spill.

Though that said if they don't life the moratorium, thousands of people are going to get laid off.



I think Obama demanding what was it? $20 million?? from BP was a good start...

 

[Guyzerr]

Then why was everyone up in arms over the fact that Bush didn't do enough after Katrina? This entire mess has been bungled from all angles by his administration. They didn't let the governors of the states that are effected do anything to try and prevent it from reaching their shores. They didn't get the booms out of storage and they still haven't. They didn't accept help from the Netherlands when it was offered. He didn't meet with the BP President until this week. All he's done that's "presidential" is point fingers. He has absolutely no leadership capabilities whatsoever. He can sound good on television and in front of an audience when he's reading prepared speeches from his teleprompter, but he has absolutely no executive experience whatsoever.

This isn't an anti-Obama rant... these are just the facts involved here.

Bush & Katrina is a totally different type of problem. Human lives were at stake and many of the lost lives could have been avoided. Nuff said about that.

This well blowout issue should have been acted on by the EPA the second it took place. Leaving it in the hands of BP or any other company is the first mistake that was made. As far as I'm concerned they should have their asses ripped from stem to stern for keeping their fucking heads in the sand. You can't bother the head of a major corporation with every problem. That's why you have management in place. They are there to act on an issue and follow protocol by reporting to upper management. Any gov't should act the same way.

 

[Guyzerr]

why?
I am not pro Obama or anti Obama, but I think the government has been as involved as it knows how to be.

That's it in a nutshell Janie O'babe and I've said it before. Nobody be they private industry or gov't has any experience with a well blowout 5000' beneath the sea. It's a entirely different matter than what's happened on land. It was bound to happen sometime and nobody planned for it.

 

[JanieDough]

That's it in a nutshell Janie O'babe and I've said it before. Nobody be they private industry or gov't has any experience with a well blowout 5000' beneath the sea. It's a entirely different matter than what's happened on land. It was bound to happen sometime and nobody planned for it.

Not only that but people go around saying Louisiana is fucked up.

We aren't fucked up - or not more so than the rest of you, you people just don't understand what's going on down here.

We have a subculture built on this industry and other industries pretty specific to this region. I mean some one talking oil rigs is like hearing some one talk about the weather.

You see the rigs when you drive through the country - you see them when you go the beach or when you go fishing...

Most everyone you know has a husband, brother, father or son that works offshore - if not all of the male members in their family works offshore.

It's just what we do.

 

[Guyzerr]

Janie people are ignorant about something until it smacks their face. Most people probably think the gas they put in their cars comes from the earth directly under the bowser they are using at the moment.

 

[retro]

Bush & Katrina is a totally different type of problem. Human lives were at stake and many of the lost lives could have been avoided. Nuff said about that.

It could've been avoided if the incompetent governor and mayor had bothered to use the buses that were in the city to get the people out. The fact that the local government fucked up leading up to the hurricane hitting doesn't have anything to do with the federal government. The national guard and FEMA stepped in to take care of the disaster afterwards, but they couldn't have foreseen the levees being destroyed. BTW Janie, that's why I don't think they should've rebuilt New Orleans, because the inherent problems weren't wholly resolved, leaving it open to happening again. In addition, the responsibility for those that died or were stranded in the city ultimately rested with themselves. A large number of them didn't leave because they figured they'd be okay. Then when they were taken to cities like San Antonio (where I lived at the time), they acted like it was all the government's fault. Oh, and don't even get me started on how crime skyrocketed in the areas where the refugees were housed. But that's another story for another time.

This well blowout issue should have been acted on by the EPA the second it took place. Leaving it in the hands of BP or any other company is the first mistake that was made. As far as I'm concerned they should have their asses ripped from stem to stern for keeping their fucking heads in the sand. You can't bother the head of a major corporation with every problem. That's why you have management in place. They are there to act on an issue and follow protocol by reporting to upper management. Any gov't should act the same way.

Like I've been saying, there's been a wholesale failure within the government in responding to this issue. A complete lack of leadership from the top on down. People got on Bush for not taking charge of the Katrina situation, and Obama has done infinitely worse with an even worse catastrophe.

 

[retro]

It's kind of like Pandora's Box - you can't blame people who are trying to help close it because it's nearly impossible - you can only blame those responsible for opening it in the first place.

Can you blame the people who gave a safety award to that rig when there were obviously issues? Can you blame the company that actually owned the rig (yeah, it wasn't actually owned by BP). It was owned by Transocean and leased to BP. There are a whole lot of other factors involved here that people seem to be willing to realize.

 

[JanieDough]

Janie people are ignorant about something until it smacks their face. Most people probably think the gas they put in their cars comes from the earth directly under the bowser they are using at the moment.

And don't forget all other petroleum products =- plastic, soap, clothes...I could go on and on.

Can you blame the people who gave a safety award to that rig when there were obviously issues? Can you blame the company that actually owned the rig (yeah, it wasn't actually owned by BP). It was owned by Transocean and leased to BP. There are a whole lot of other factors involved here that people seem to be willing to realize.

The Platform was owned by transocean - but that has nothing to do with what BP was doing.

You can have a platform for satellites, etc. and it not be drilling oil. BP's inability to follow safety measures to ensure the stability of the ground they were drilling on is BP's responsibility - not Transocean's.

See what I mean about not knowing the industry?

 

[Guyzerr]

Obama has done infinitely worse with an even worse catastrophe.

It's not worse than Katrina for the simple fact that nobody other than the original 11 people died from the catastrophe..... so far.

 

[Guyzerr]

Can you blame the people who gave a safety award to that rig when there were obviously issues? Can you blame the company that actually owned the rig (yeah, it wasn't actually owned by BP). It was owned by Transocean and leased to BP. There are a whole lot of other factors involved here that people seem to be willing to realize.

If I rent you a car and you have an accident because of something you did should I be able to blame you? Of course not, that would be silly. If I rented you a car with safety issues that's a different story. In the case of the rig there was nothing wrong with it. The problem happened due to shortcuts in the drilling procedures and related equipment that should have never taken place. BP is the one that's ultimately responsible for the operation and safety of the rig and it's their obligation everything is done to operate it safely which as we now know isn't the case.

 

[Maulds]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw

 

[Maulds]

If I rent you a car and you have an accident because of something you did should I be able to blame you? Of course not, that would be silly. .

If I rent you a safe car and you wreck because of something you did I will blame you, who else would I blame?