Obama & Huckabee

[dt3]

I was listening to Rush the other day (go figure ). This lady called in and said she wouldn't vote for McCain because he "looked old".

I was like "Fuck lady, you try spending 5 years as a guest of the North Vietnamese and see how you look!!!".

I can't believe someone would be as petty as that.

 

[hubersrj]

Well, the fact that he was a POW was the reason I went with Bush in the Primary vice McCain 8 years ago. I know what those camps can do to a person and I was really afraid he'd have some flashback or something. Now, after 8 years of really watching his every move...I think he's a strong 2nd place contender on my list anyways.

 

[All Else Failed]

I don't understand all of the Ron Paul love. His economic policies would ruin this country even further.

 

[hubersrj]

I don't understand all of the Ron Paul love. His economic policies would ruin this country even further.

Dude, Ron Paul is fucking nuts....he's Perot with less money...have you seen his billboards? I have to pass one everyday going home from work...scary dood....

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I don't understand all of the Ron Paul love. His economic policies would ruin this country even further.

I don't "love" him, however I totally agree that this country could run on much less government, and we could limit the need for excessive income taxes.

I also agree that we do not need bases in all of the countries that we have them. I will probably get flamed to a crisp for that. But it's my belief.

By today's standard's his economic policies look rediculous, but forward looking there has to be a way to fix our financial woes without continuing to place more burden on the taxpayer.

Perhaps if our spending at the government level was scrutinized a little more we could loosen the straps on the American taxpayer, and by that means help the economy by actually having more money to spend.

 

[Tim]

You're right about the economy.

If history has taught us anything, the downfall of every empire is when it goes broke. And as long as the US keeps acting like an empire, this will be our downfall as well.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

You're right about the economy.

If history has taught us anything, the downfall of every empire is when it goes broke. And as long as the US keeps acting like an empire, this will be our downfall as well.

Right you are as well.

That and all the special interest in-fighting needs to stop as well. Too much pocket lining and handshake deals going on. It's time for oversight, for us as a nation to start holding people accountable.

Another thing Paul stands for, not of course that I am totally pro him, but the concept that the "Patriot Act" has been distorted and bastardized into a total stripping of civil liberties and a total intrusion into our lives.

We have all basically become suspect.

 

[hubersrj]

Right you are as well.

That and all the special interest in-fighting needs to stop as well. Too much pocket lining and handshake deals going on. It's time for oversight, for us as a nation to start holding people accountable.

Another thing Paul stands for, not of course that I am totally pro him, but the concept that the "Patriot Act" has been distorted and bastardized into a total stripping of civil liberties and a total intrusion into our lives.

We have all basically become suspect.

Right, but Ron Paul is more of an idealist, not a leader. He's the type of guy that needs to be a part of an advisory staff, not the Commander in Chief.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Right, but Ron Paul is more of an idealist, not a leader. He's the type of guy that needs to be a part of an advisory staff, not the Commander in Chief.

There is nothing wrong with being an idealist.

FDR, JFK amongst others were all idealists, and great men so far as leading. Commander in Chief isn't all about dropping bombs and torching huts.

We need to grab our own country by the ball's and turn it around, maybe give half the planet a break for a few years while we get our own house back in order

Maybe?

 

[hubersrj]

There is nothing wrong with being an idealist.

FDR, JFK amongst others were all idealists, and great men so far as leading. Commander in Chief isn't all about dropping bombs and torching huts.

We need to grab our own country by the ball's and turn it around, maybe give half the planet a break for a few years while we get our own house back in order

Maybe?

Um, check yourself when you're talking about JFK being a great leader. He was popular, not a great leader. HE was 1 for 1 as far as I'm concerned when it came to America's best interests. I do think he had potential but obviously his life was cut short.

Being an idealist is great, for storybook land. FDR had a couple of fantastic ideas...ideas that have since imploded upon themselves. HE was very popular, hence the reason he got re-elected 3 times. But let's admit it: Social Security, while great on paper, has been nothing but a burden on the working man for decades. If we were able to put all that money into an IRA or a 401k, no one would have to worry about retirement money. I know the 401k is a relatively new thing, but I think even putting it into savings bonds back in the day would have been better than everyone putting their money into one big pot and divide it equally.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Um, check yourself when you're talking about JFK being a great leader. He was popular, not a great leader. HE was 1 for 1 as far as I'm concerned when it came to America's best interests. I do think he had potential but obviously his life was cut short.

Being an idealist is great, for storybook land. FDR had a couple of fantastic ideas...ideas that have since imploded upon themselves. HE was very popular, hence the reason he got re-elected 3 times. But let's admit it: Social Security, while great on paper, has been nothing but a burden on the working man for decades. If we were able to put all that money into an IRA or a 401k, no one would have to worry about retirement money. I know the 401k is a relatively new thing, but I think even putting it into savings bonds back in the day would have been better than everyone putting their money into one big pot and divide it equally.

However, both of them were much more the idealist than a commander in chief, that was my point.

As far as I am concerned we do not have a great Commander in Chief right now, he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. There have actually been President's who have accomplished great things. You cannot convince me that an ambassador would not be a better approach to that job. Yes sometimes you have to kick a little ass, that is why you have advisors. But really, other than feel good speeches, and partisanship, what have any president's brought us let's say....In the past 20 years?

I am sure there is a stockade of things you can throw at that, all of which was basically determined by Senate and Congress. Who we need is somebody who can get those guy's and gal's turned around again, instead of fighting in the isles.

 

[hubersrj]

I think if you go back to Reagan's presidency, you'll find one of the finest examples of what a president is, how a president should act and what the office is truly about.

I do agree that President Bush has been too "one-way" the last 3 years or so...but honestly, all but a few 2nd term CinC's have done the same thing. I think he acted superbly considering he had been in office for only 8 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. HE never had a chance to use diplomacy since diplomacy wasn't what was being called for at point. The downside is that most of a president's diplomacy skills tend to be formed by about the 2 year mark. We were at war and honestly, the rest of the world can kiss my un-diplomatic ass.





Sorry...I get a little emotional about wartime...hits really close to home.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I think if you go back to Reagan's presidency, you'll find one of the finest examples of what a president is, how a president should act and what the office is truly about.

I do agree that President Bush has been too "one-way" the last 3 years or so...but honestly, all but a few 2nd term CinC's have done the same thing. I think he acted superbly considering he had been in office for only 8 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. HE never had a chance to use diplomacy since diplomacy wasn't what was being called for at point. The downside is that most of a president's diplomacy skills tend to be formed by about the 2 year mark. We were at war and honestly, the rest of the world can kiss my un-diplomatic ass.





Sorry...I get a little emotional about wartime...hits really close to home.

No need to apologize, we can agree or disagree, nothing personal

Well put too btw :clap

 

[hubersrj]

No need to apologize, we can agree or disagree, nothing personal

Well put too btw :clap

Thanks,

Coming from you, that actually means a lot!

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Thanks,

Coming from you, that actually means a lot!

Well it was well deserved and I rep'ed you.

Bantering back and forth is one thing, making pointed intelligent debate is another.

I always appreciate and support intellectually charged discussion from those willing and capable

 

[GraceAbounds]

I was like "F*ck lady, you try spending 5 years as a guest of the North Vietnamese and see how you look!!!".

I can't believe someone would be as petty as that.

No doubt.

Well, the fact that he was a POW was the reason I went with Bush in the Primary vice McCain 8 years ago. I know what those camps can do to a person and I was really afraid he'd have some flashback or something. Now, after 8 years of really watching his every move...I think he's a strong 2nd place contender on my list anyways.

I voted for McCain back then. I was hoping that he'd of won the primaries instead of Bush.

I think if you go back to Reagan's presidency, you'll find one of the finest examples of what a president is, how a president should act and what the office is truly about.

I do agree that President Bush has been too "one-way" the last 3 years or so...but honestly, all but a few 2nd term CinC's have done the same thing. I think he acted superbly considering he had been in office for only 8 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. HE never had a chance to use diplomacy since diplomacy wasn't what was being called for at point. The downside is that most of a president's diplomacy skills tend to be formed by about the 2 year mark. We were at war and honestly, the rest of the world can kiss my un-diplomatic ass.

Sorry...I get a little emotional about wartime...hits really close to home.

:homo:

 

[gLing]

I know people think he is a nut but I kind of like Ron Paul. He is the only one out there talking about getting rid of the IRS and that is a good thing no matter what.

 

[dt3]

I know people think he is a nut but I kind of like Ron Paul. He is the only one out there talking about getting rid of the IRS and that is a good thing no matter what.

Huckabee supports the Fair Tax, which would do away with personal/company income taxes. Essentially getting rid of the IRS.

 

[AUDRAA]

way to early for me to form an opinion yet Ill let you know later

 

[gLing]

Huckabee supports the Fair Tax, which would do away with personal/company income taxes. Essentially getting rid of the IRS.

I honestly did not know that. Thanks for the information.