Obama and Communist Platforms are Virtually Identical

[Fox Mulder]

Actually I don't think they would. You'll just have to find an example to prove me wrong.

The problem if we gave you examples, you wouldn't believe it. I gave you an example in another thread how badly Kerry distorted Cheney's relationship with Haliburton--I gave you a link to FactCheck.org--a bipartisan group that said Kerry lied about Cheney. That's one example of thousands I could give you but you'd write it off as bullshit.

I also gave you an entire thread about how badly the Democrats distorted the FISA wiretap issue--I gave you cites to the only two federal cases where the judges both decided in favor of the President, but you still believe Bush's wiretapping is illegal despite the fact the law is crytal clear on it.

Like Alien Allen said, both parties play these games and you have to be a complete political hack to believe your party does not.

 

[Minor Axis]

...3 Cheers for HWSNBN on achieving the last word today and not minding his own business... end of recording.

 

[Fox Mulder]

OMG!!!! His middle name is Hussein, OMFG he must be a terrorist!

Hmmmm? We called John Kennedy, "JFK" -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy. We called Roosevelt, "FDR" -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
We called Bush, "George W. Bush". In fact, he's been called "Dubya" in a disparaging manner ever since the beginning of his Presidency.
So why is it a big deal to call Obama by his full name? :confused

 

[Fox Mulder]

Your response does not disappoint me. I suspected you would think your dems were as pure as snow.

Take the blinders off. Both parties play this shit.

Yeah--I don't think I ever heard a liberal refer to Bush disparagingly as "Dubbya!"

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Frankly, I think debating about the name someone has is one more example of "let's not focus on the fact that his policy sucks".

Frankly, that's the only thing I see about both candidates....I don't give a fuck what the name is, policy....Policy.....Policy.

You would think in this day and age, you could find two decent candidates, but we are voting for the best of the worst, or voting for a war monger to prevent a "liberal" from getting into office.

Simply put if you are a straight party voter than you're not near as intelligent as you present yourself. Not all right is bad, and niether is left. I don't like either candidate......Again after 8 years of Slick Willie, and 8 years of the moron, these two ass clowns are the best our system can provide?

And we are going to fucking argue basically about either of the candidates and the strong points? You are all blind in my opinion

 

[Minor Axis]

Yeah--I don't think I ever heard a liberal refer to Bush disparagingly as "Dubbya!"

Amazing... as that is the Republican's pet name for him. Your gonna try to lay that on liberals? Weak.

And we are going to fucking argue basically about either of the candidates and the strong points? You are all blind in my opinion

Ironically Republicans think they have a good candidate and Democrats think they have a great candidate. Independents will have to make a choice. You gotta vote for someone based on, based on, uh, your own best interests? (except for Mulder that is)

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Amazing... as that is the Republican's pet name for him. Your gonna try to lay that on liberals? Weak.



Ironically Republicans think they have a good candidate and Democrats think they have a great candidate. Independents will have to make a choice. You gotta vote for someone based on, based on, uh, your own best interests? (except for Mulder that is)

I'm ready for a third party in this country.

And I'm ready for no more lobbyists...

Partisan politics have.....Well parted the country

 

[Maulds]

Amazing... as that is the Republican's pet name for him. Your gonna try to lay that on liberals? Weak.



Ironically Republicans think they have a good candidate and Democrats think they have a great candidate. Independents will have to make a choice. You gotta vote for someone based on, based on, uh, your own best interests? (except for Mulder that is)

I think any un-decided voters who saw the forum Saturday night should have no problem deciding to vote for McCain.

 

[Alien Allen]

I'm ready for a third party in this country.

And I'm ready for no more lobbyists...

Partisan politics have.....Well parted the country

You have no idea. We have term limits in Michigan. Worst idea there ever was. Sounded great on paper. But after you run out of terms you end up with the lobbyists and staffers running the system. Even organizations like Farm Bureau have full time lobbyists.

The only way to get rid of lobbyists is to make political offices part time. When they propose omnibus legislation and have time to keep tweaking everything the lobbyists have lost of power and control the debate to a degree.

another problem with term limits is that staffers have such heavy control over things. we just went thru years of negotiations on legislation that resulted in passage and the formation of a committee and the Speaker of the House in MI did not even know who his staff had selected for the appointment
representing our industry. The word was out that our choice would never get seated. So behind our back they appointed another individual rather than consulting with us. The person selected was chosen by the govt agency on the other side of the argument

 

[Fox Mulder]

I'm ready for a third party in this country.

:thumbup I with ya Evan! I'd love a party that was socially liberal and economically conservative. But economics is by far the most important of those two because without a strong economy, everyone suffers.

 

[Alien Allen]

:thumbup I with ya Evan! I'd love a party that was socially liberal and economically conservative. But economics is by far the most important of those two because without a strong economy, everyone suffers.

I think we already have that party.

Libertarian

 

[Fox Mulder]

I think any un-decided voters who saw the forum Saturday night should have no problem deciding to vote for McCain.

No shit--I never saw someone "nuance" as much as Obama--that guy is completely plastic.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Amazing... as that is the Republican's pet name for him. Your gonna try to lay that on liberals? Weak.

Serisouly, where do you get you information from?


Retrieved from "Dubya - Wiktionary"

A nickname for George W. Bush. It is usually used by opponents of George W. Bush and those making fun of him.

Are you SERISOULY contending that the left does not use that name disparagingly? If so, post you support for that.

 

[Alien Allen]

No shit--I never saw someone "nuance" as much as Obama--that guy is completely plastic.

His answer about abortion which is a topic I wish was not in the political arena was priceless.

To say that it was not in his pay grade was a cute response but shows how much of an empty suit he is. He knew the question would be coming and that was the best he could come up with in an arena full of people who would disagree shows a lot. I can't stand politicians with no backbone.

 

[siasl]

And why does he refuse to salute the flag? Seriously--that to me say volumes about this man's view of America. Everyone else stands reverently while he looks like he's frustrated and annoyed and having to stand through the national athem.

so.....how do you feel about jehovah's witnesses?

 

[siasl]

No shit--I never saw someone "nuance" as much as Obama--that guy is completely plastic.

on this, however, i agree....the guy's got start putting up some verbage that isn't afraid of people's views.

 

[Minor Axis]

Serisouly, where do you get you information from?
.

Uhh, seriously the "W" bumper stickers on supporters' cars during the past two elections. I saw both "W" and "Dubya" stickers. And no, those stickers were not making fun of him. Check the pronunciation at Wiktionary. Here is a SAMPLE.

Give up?

 

[Strickland]

I think you need a dose of reality there, Fox. First off, not only is the Communist Party totally bereft of respect in the anti-capitalist movement, but they are unquestionably an impotent organisation whose members number only in the hundreds. Hell, I bet there are more people in the psychotic, and possibly satiric, Maoist International Movement.

Moreover, if you want some true Marxism so you can actually know what you're talking about in regards to communism and socialism you should check out the Marxists Internet Archive.

Disclaimer: I'm no longer a marxist or anarcho-syndicalist, but am a Social Democrat.

 

[gLing]

but am a Social Democrat.

Same misguided nonsense. :nod:

 

[Strickland]

Same misguided nonsense. :nod:

The Scandinavian model is so misguided, right?

Moreover, if you can't see the distinct differences between Marxist thought and the methodology of Social Democracy, you don't know anything about this subject.