NHL playoff thread

[pjbleek]

BOSTON WINS!!!!!

:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

 

[retro]

Well, it wasn't so much a commentary on the Red Wings. It was more about the same franchise (Jets/Coyotes) playing out the same scenario.

As for the whole thing about moving the Coyotes...I think it's more about who can sustain a team than who deserves a team. Maybe if there were more fans like retro and anathelia in Phoenix they could sustain a team but there aren't. Retro says that average attendance in Phoenix is higher than it was in Winnipeg but where are they coming from? Not Phoenix. When I was there for a Flames game last year the Flames fans outnumbered the Coyotes fans and the building was half empty. You can't sustain an NHL franchise with that kind of fan base.

But I know where you guys are coming from. Losing your team sucks. When I lived in Kentucky they had an AHL team in Lexington. I was a big fan and went to as many games as possible. Unfortunately the team ended up moving to Cleveland because there weren't enough people like me in the area to sustain the team. You just can't sell hockey in a non-hockey market.

I don't know about that Flames game, but Ana and I went to one against the Flames and another against the Senators... and while there were a decent amount of fans from the opposing teams, they didn't outnumber the Coyotes fans by any stretch of the imagination.

You also have to consider the fact that the Coyotes were so poorly managed for most of their time in Phoenix. The owner didn't give a shit, so it was hard to put a winning team on the ice... now that they don't have him running the franchise and have a damn good GM and coach, they're winning, and the fans are coming back.

 

[freakofnature]

:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

Good comeback! I thought it was over when Montreal went up 3-1. You guys had to have this game too.

 

[pjbleek]

Good comeback! I thought it was over when Montreal went up 3-1. You guys had to have this game too.

yes indeed. but still the goal scorers (especially Ryder) was called out by so many "fans" here in the Boston area. they wanted Julien and Ryder on the next train out of town if Boston does lose the series. My God....it just amazes me how fickle the fans truly are...

 

[Alien Allen]

congrats PJ

I thought at the start of OT you guys were doomed

Did I ever mention that back when Orr was on the team that was the team I rooted for?

I think I have

I was a huge fan of them in the playoffs back then

 

[retro]

Today's news that the Dodgers have been taken over by MLB and Selig with "deva vu" with the Expos ???

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-mlb-dodgers

And Talk about Expansion of two teams in MLB. What's wrong with this picture ??

You're comparing apples and oranges here. The Dodgers are one of the most successful franchises in baseball, both from a support and winning standpoint. The problem is the fact that there is an ownership dispute due to a divorce... it has nothing to do with the viability of the team itself.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2011-04-07-angels-baseball-expansion_N.htm

Before we go trying to win over new markets, why don't we try to fix the issues faced by most sports leagues ?

That article is basically saying that if you expand correctly, then it's a good thing for the sport. Two of the latest expansion teams (Marlins and Diamondbacks) have won at least one World Series, and the Rays and Rockies have both been to one. But honestly, I'm not entirely certain what expansion has to do with anything. Except that you seem to be a proponent of killing franchises off. The Expos moving to Washington and becoming the Nationals is a great example of how moving a team can increase its viability.

Kill the franchises that are really bad for each sport, invest in those that have had great past record and give them better talent by using what's already in the agency pool from the teams you will delete..

The problem arises when the Union kicks in and demands that teams stay afloat from new franchises that are fiscally bad and bring down everyone else. The other issue is the leagues make mega bucks handing our franchises so it's to their benefit and all other owners to do so.. So both the union and owners are in favor to grow the problem.

So, in your estimation, are the Coyotes a bad team for the NHL? Making the playoffs in two straight years and putting a winning team on the ice while growing fan support? I'll partially agree with your comments about the Unions and owners though.

So if the league can't handle the extra teams why hand out new franchises and move old ones IMO other than to peeve off fans and make oodles of money..

Has there been any talk of expansion in any professional sports league recently? The NFL has tabled basically any expansion talks for the time being, leaving Los Angeles trying to get a team to move there. MLB is sitting fine where it is as far as their teams go, with their recent expansions having proven to be successful. The NBA isn't discussing any expansions, and neither is the NHL. So I'm really not entirely certain what expansions have to do with the discussion. Except to further your point that bad franchises should simply be eliminated. Then, I guess we should eliminate the Oilers, Blue Jackets, Maple Leafs, Panthers and Hurricanes while we're at it. They've all had horrible records and have only made the playoffs 1-2 times in the last decade. Sounds like a great plan to me.

 

[pjbleek]

congrats PJ

I thought at the start of OT you guys were doomed

Did I ever mention that back when Orr was on the team that was the team I rooted for?

I think I have

I was a huge fan of them in the playoffs back then

thanks...I know it sounds cliche but I love the Bruins through thick and thin and if they did lose this game tonight I would be mad, but this is the best game in the world and I will renew my loyalty to the Bruins year after year...

 

[freakofnature]

2-0 Chicago on two quick goals!!!

 

[retro]

2-0 Chicago on two quick goals!!!

Huzzah!

 

[freakofnature]

Has there been any talk of expansion in any professional sports league recently? The NFL has tabled basically any expansion talks for the time being, leaving Los Angeles trying to get a team to move there. MLB is sitting fine where it is as far as their teams go, with their recent expansions having proven to be successful. The NBA isn't discussing any expansions, and neither is the NHL. So I'm really not entirely certain what expansions have to do with the discussion. Except to further your point that bad franchises should simply be eliminated. Then, I guess we should eliminate the Oilers, Blue Jackets, Maple Leafs, Panthers and Hurricanes while we're at it. They've all had horrible records and have only made the playoffs 1-2 times in the last decade. Sounds like a great plan to me.

It's not about the team's record or how often they make the playoffs. It's about how much revenue they generate. The Leafs suck on the ice but look at how much money they bring in. You have to be in someone's will to even get tickets to a game. Same with the Oilers. Poor team on the ice but the city supports them. I think Columbus generally does well in that area too. Panthers and Hurricanes are in the same boat as the Coyotes and Thrashers. I think Tampa Bay is too. In spite of winning the Cup in 2004 they still couldn't bring in fans.

 

[retro]

It's not about the team's record or how often they make the playoffs. It's about how much revenue they generate. The Leafs suck on the ice but look at how much money they bring in. You have to be in someone's will to even get tickets to a game. Same with the Oilers. Poor team on the ice but the city supports them. I think Columbus generally does well in that area too. Panthers and Hurricanes are in the same boat as the Coyotes and Thrashers. I think Tampa Bay is too. In spite of winning the Cup in 2004 they still couldn't bring in fans.

I was going off of this comment...

invest in those that have had great past record and give them better talent by using what's already in the agency pool from the teams you will delete..

Well, in the last decade, all of the teams that I listed have a bad record. So, by Francis' criteria, they should be eliminated.

 

[Francis]

Yah you bet I would have..

For 30 years we built that team, who had no support from day one, to be a major league contender, to have it yanked from underneath us when it was finally a viable organization..

And just like a Corporation, if it cannot hold up in one location, No funding should be permitted for it to move elsewhere.

Today's news that the Dodgers have been taken over by MLB and Selig with "deva vu" with the Expos ???

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-mlb-dodgers

And Talk about Expansion of two teams in MLB. What's wrong with this picture ??

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2011-04-07-angels-baseball-expansion_N.htm

Before we go trying to win over new markets, why don't we try to fix the issues faced by most sports leagues ?

Kill the franchises that are really bad for each sport, invest in those that have had great past record and give them better talent by using what's already in the agency pool from the teams you will delete..

The problem arises when the Union kicks in and demands that teams stay afloat from new franchises that are fiscally bad and bring down everyone else. The other issue is the leagues make mega bucks handing our franchises so it's to their benefit and all other owners to do so.. So both the union and owners are in favor to grow the problem.

So if the league can't handle the extra teams why hand out new franchises and move old ones IMO other than to peeve off fans and make oodles of money..

You're comparing apples and oranges here. The Dodgers are one of the most successful franchises in baseball, both from a support and winning standpoint. The problem is the fact that there is an ownership dispute due to a divorce... it has nothing to do with the viability of the team itself.

Its not a matter of Divorce or not, just being taken over by the league is never a good matter.

That article is basically saying that if you expand correctly, then it's a good thing for the sport. Two of the latest expansion teams (Marlins and Diamondbacks) have won at least one World Series, and the Rays and Rockies have both been to one. But honestly, I'm not entirely certain what expansion has to do with anything. Except that you seem to be a proponent of killing franchises off. The Expos moving to Washington and becoming the Nationals is a great example of how moving a team can increase its viability.

But the Marlins and Diamondbacks were new franchises and not moves.. So were the Rays and Rockies..

While moving the team may be great for a teams viability short term, it does nothing to better the sports image over all and in many cases teams do not fair any better in the new city then the old. They continue to have ups and downs and depending on how much a new owner is willing to pump in and will have good and bad years.

So I guess by your logic moving the Phoenix Suns of the NBA would be OK if they became financially unstable right. I hear Seattle is looking to replace their beloved Sonics in another case of stupidity by greedy owners just wanting to move teams regardless of fan loyalty..

So, in your estimation, are the Coyotes a bad team for the NHL? Making the playoffs in two straight years and putting a winning team on the ice while growing fan support? I'll partially agree with your comments about the Unions and owners though.

No I never said the Coyotes were a bad team. They may have financial issue and that's a totally different story but never did I say they were bad. Just because I agreed to PJ about bringing back the Jets doesn't mean I agree that anyone else should lose their team for Winnipeg or Quebec..

Has there been any talk of expansion in any professional sports league recently? The NFL has tabled basically any expansion talks for the time being, leaving Los Angeles trying to get a team to move there. MLB is sitting fine where it is as far as their teams go, with their recent expansions having proven to be successful. The NBA isn't discussing any expansions, and neither is the NHL. So I'm really not entirely certain what expansions have to do with the discussion. Except to further your point that bad franchises should simply be eliminated. Then, I guess we should eliminate the Oilers, Blue Jackets, Maple Leafs, Panthers and Hurricanes while we're at it. They've all had horrible records and have only made the playoffs 1-2 times in the last decade. Sounds like a great plan to me.

I already explained my opinion on expansion.. ANY League should have all teams and itself working well before it brings on more problems.. And seeing there are only so many playoff spots available no standings is not relevant in any way. But teams have to stay financially or fiscally responsible and competitive..

As for the eliminating the Oilers, Blue Jackets, Maple Leafs, Panthers and Hurricanes best look not only at their record but financial offering to the league..

Did you know the Maple Leafs are the most valuable Hockey team in the NHL..
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/31/hockey-valuations-10_land.html

Might surprise you to look at the list..

 

[Francis]

Wow Chicago is making a series of this..

 

[Loyalist]

The Bruins are on the ropes. Hope the courses are dry enough to play on by now.

 

[Loyalist]

Its not a matter of Divorce or not, just being taken over by the league is never a good matter.



But the Marlins and Diamondbacks were new franchises and not moves.. So were the Rays and Rockies..

While moving the team may be great for a teams viability short term, it does nothing to better the sports image over all and in many cases teams do not fair any better in the new city then the old. They continue to have ups and downs and depending on how much a new owner is willing to pump in and will have good and bad years.

So I guess by your logic moving the Phoenix Suns of the NBA would be OK if they became financially unstable right. I hear Seattle is looking to replace their beloved Sonics in another case of stupidity by greedy owners just wanting to move teams regardless of fan loyalty..



No I never said the Coyotes were a bad team. They may have financial issue and that's a totally different story but never did I say they were bad. Just because I agreed to PJ about bringing back the Jets doesn't mean I agree that anyone else should lose their team for Winnipeg or Quebec..



I already explained my opinion on expansion.. ANY League should have all teams and itself working well before it brings on more problems.. And seeing there are only so many playoff spots available no standings is not relevant in any way. But teams have to stay financially or fiscally responsible and competitive..

As for the eliminating the Oilers, Blue Jackets, Maple Leafs, Panthers and Hurricanes best look not only at their record but financial offering to the league..

Did you know the Maple Leafs are the most valuable Hockey team in the NHL..
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/31/hockey-valuations-10_land.html

Might surprise you to look at the list..

The Toronto teachers pension fund pays for the leafs.
But I would have guessed the Habs might have been the richest.
Interesting....

 

[pjbleek]

The Bruins are on the ropes. Hope the courses are dry enough to play on by now.

eekeek:eek
bite your tongue!!!!

 

[Panacea]

Thems is fightin' words!

 

[Loyalist]

Thems is fightin' words!

Well they better bring it soon or they can start kissing their putters. :24:

 

[Panacea]

Well they better bring it soon or they can start kissing their putters. :24:

I worry a bit more for the Habs at this point, though my boyfriend and I would like you to be right lol. Sorry PJ.

 

[freakofnature]

The Bruins are on the ropes. Hope the courses are dry enough to play on by now.

The series is tied 2-2. If they're on the ropes then Montreal is too.

The Toronto teachers pension fund pays for the leafs.
But I would have guessed the Habs might have been the richest.
Interesting....

It's not about who owns the franchise, it's about how much revenue they generate. I would suspect that Montreal would be right up there with the Leafs.