Men and their deteriorating moral and family values.

[Stone]

Men and their deteriorating moral and family values.

As members of Western democratic nation, we have witnessed a marked deterioration in morality and family values.

Children start at an early age to sample the pleasures life offers them in the world of drugs, sex, autonomy and abuse of the safety nets that we as parents have put in place for them.
They do these things because they see us, their parents, doing the same thing. We are reaping what we are sowing. It is impossible to keep our abusive adult activities from passing down to our children. They know all our little secrets and tricks and will continue to emulate us.

Over time, looking at parents and our interaction with our children; especially today; the internet and other technologies have drastically reduced the parent child interaction. It is obvious to anyone withgood judgement; collectively our morals and ethics have declined along with our family values.

Proof of this lies in how we allow our children to dress and act.

We are basically allowing our children, male and female, to look and act like skanks and whores.

We are allowing or male children to run amuck and act like irresponsible bull studs with no responsibility for their illegitimate children. We men also facilitate the rampant drug us, both legal and illegal.

Both men and women are to blame. Men, as the institutionally sanctioned heads of the family; must carry more blame. The world is not witnessing men stepping up to this responsibility. You, as a man are not walking your talk.

As men, if we are to call ourselves true men, should consider doing so. Perhaps we can stop acting like spoiled children ourselves and start giving our children a good example.

Women will also have to stop looking like and teaching their daughters to look like skanks and whores. We must stop teaching our children to idolize certain questionable entertainers who will do nothing but ensure a next generation of skanks and whores.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

P S. Morality has a price. To increase ours will take wealth. Are our children worth it to us?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/june-carbone/family-values-conservativ_b_922656.html

How do you rationalize the above with your drug-legalization arguments that lead to a culture of legal drug abuse?

 

[Joe the meek]

Men and their deteriorating moral and family values.

As members of Western democratic nation, we have witnessed a marked deterioration in morality and family values.

Children start at an early age to sample the pleasures life offers them in the world of drugs, sex, autonomy and abuse of the safety nets that we as parents have put in place for them.
They do these things because they see us, their parents, doing the same thing. We are reaping what we are sowing. It is impossible to keep our abusive adult activities from passing down to our children. They know all our little secrets and tricks and will continue to emulate us.

Over time, looking at parents and our interaction with our children; especially today; the internet and other technologies have drastically reduced the parent child interaction. It is obvious to anyone withgood judgement; collectively our morals and ethics have declined along with our family values.

Proof of this lies in how we allow our children to dress and act.

We are basically allowing our children, male and female, to look and act like skanks and whores.

We are allowing or male children to run amuck and act like irresponsible bull studs with no responsibility for their illegitimate children. We men also facilitate the rampant drug us, both legal and illegal.

Both men and women are to blame. Men, as the institutionally sanctioned heads of the family; must carry more blame. The world is not witnessing men stepping up to this responsibility. You, as a man are not walking your talk.

As men, if we are to call ourselves true men, should consider doing so. Perhaps we can stop acting like spoiled children ourselves and start giving our children a good example.

Women will also have to stop looking like and teaching their daughters to look like skanks and whores. We must stop teaching our children to idolize certain questionable entertainers who will do nothing but ensure a next generation of skanks and whores.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

P S. Morality has a price. To increase ours will take wealth. Are our children worth it to us?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/june-carbone/family-values-conservativ_b_922656.html

You're opinion is very short sighted IMO (also some pretty strong generalizations LMAO).

Perhaps society in general in the US has become more "open" to our own actions, however I think one could argue that because things are no longer "swept under the rug" we can face those issues with a better understanding of ourselves.

Do you think that people didn't want to get laid in the 1800's?
Do you think that people didn't cheat on their spouses in the past?
Do you think there were no abortions in the 1900's?
Do you think that people weren't raging alcoholics in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900's?
Do you think that people didn't kill each other in the past?
How many people were killed by drunk drivers in the 1960's and 1970's and it wasn't even considered a crime?

Yes, technology can be a real bitch sometimes. Man, bring that phone to every home and invent the auto and now you have all those kids going around having sex. How in the heck did kids sneak off to screw before the telephone and auto!!??? Technology, the work of the devil!!!!

I for one would rather live in the future than the past.

 

[The Man]

Great GIA...we are all fucked up
But what do you suggest we do?
You say its a western problem...who do you suggest we model after..for family and moral values?

 

[Greatest I am]

Great GIA...we are all fucked up
But what do you suggest we do?
You say its a western problem...who do you suggest we model after..for family and moral values?

We first must recognize what we want as compared with whatwe need.

At present, we are led by want and not need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd7M5uCkAMA&feature=PlayList&p=49D990CEF92A7CFE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=92

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

We first must recognize what we want as compared with whatwe need.

At present, we are led by want and not need.
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How do you rationalize your drug-legalization arguments that lead to a culture of legal drug abuse?

Do you, GIA, really need to get high on illegal drugs?

 

[Greatest I am]

How do you rationalize your drug-legalization arguments that lead to a culture of legal drug abuse?

Do you, GIA, really need to get high on illegal drugs?

Do you need to keep beating your wife?

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

Do you need to keep beating your wife?

Regards
DL

Interesting the way you would ask that.
It's called fallacious logic.
The limiting of choices to derive a predetermined answer.

But my question wasn't.



How do you rationalize your argument in this thread with your drug-legalization arguments that lead to a culture of legal drug abuse?


You do argue to legalize drug abuse.
And in this thread, you do call for a distinction between 'want' and 'need'.
So.....do you want illegal drugs more than you need them, GIA?

 

[Greatest I am]

How do you rationalize your argument in this thread with your drug-legalization arguments that lead to a culture of legal drug abuse?

Show how it would lead to abuse when there are many psychological reports about that show that those who are risk takers are better mentally developed than those like you who are not.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

Show how it would lead to abuse when there are many psychological reports about that show that those who are risk takers are better mentally developed than those like you who are not.

Regards
DL

Post linkage to the psychological reports that specifically define how a drug abuser is better mentally developed ..........


LOL...that's the funniest one yet, GIA :24:

 

[Stone]

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How do you rationalize your argument in this thread with your drug-legalization arguments that lead to a culture of legal drug abuse?


You do argue to legalize drug abuse.
And in this thread, you do call for a distinction between 'want' and 'need'.
So.....do you want illegal drugs more than you need them, GIA?

Show how it would lead to abuse when there are many psychological reports about that show that those who are risk takers are better mentally developed than those like you who are not.

Regards
DL

Do you intend a response or just think you can blow off such a serious question?


How do you rationalize your argument in this thread with your drug-legalization arguments that lead to a culture of legal drug abuse?

So.....do you want illegal drugs more than you need them, GIA? ( you did bring up the issue of want versus need.....and you are arguing for legalizing drug abuse in a family values context)

 

[Greatest I am]

serious question?

:24:


Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

:24:


Regards
DL

And you still have no response

 

[Dana]

this thread makes me realize, I need to go out and hump something with big boobs...

 

[Greatest I am]

And you still have no response

To what?

Your attempt to say that I promote drug abuse?

Take your lies out of your questions and we might chat. Keep the attitude and lies and we will not.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

To what?

Your attempt to say that I promote drug abuse?

Take your lies out of your questions and we might chat. Keep the attitude and lies and we will not.

Regards
DL

And again you are desperate to avoid explaining your conflicting concerns over the morality of man and his value system......with your argument to legalize drug abuse.

Take your lies out of your questions and we might chat. Keep the attitude and lies and we will not.

Trust me ( ) your inability to respond with an explanation hurts your credibility, not mine
I'm lovin' it :cool

 

[Joe the meek]

this thread makes me realize, i need to go out and hump something with big boobs...

:

You may want to elaborate more...

 

[Greatest I am]

And again you are desperate to avoid explaining your conflicting concerns over the morality of man and his value system......with your argument to legalize drug abuse.


Trust me ( ) your inability to respond with an explanation hurts your credibility, not mine
I'm lovin' it :cool

What is immoral about drug use?
If you want a comment on my moral position, name the moral issue I am to speak to.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

What is immoral about drug use?
If you want a comment on my moral position, name the moral issue I am to speak to.

Regards
DL

What is immoral about drug use?

The negative results on society.
This is exactly what the concept of normative morality addresses.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/
excerpt>

The term “morality” can be used either

1. descriptively to refer to some codes of conduct put forward by a society or,
   1. some other group, such as a religion, or
   2. accepted by an individual for her own behavior or
2. normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.

Your presence in regards to 'morality' seems hung up on Christian bashing.
That only addresses the code of conduct within a religious connotation.
But it isn't rational to argue to exist in a chemical state of impairment or delusion of reality......while arguing for an improvement of moral and family values.
Your position goes beyond false logic and into the realm of insanity, imo.

If you want a comment on my moral position, name the moral issue I am to speak to.

You have been dodging the contradictions of your position for quite some time.
Now would be a good time to address them....if you're serious.
It would be interesting and fun to watch you rationalize your position

 

[Greatest I am]

The negative results on society.

Most of the negative results I see are those that prohibitions bring.

That was why they repealed the prohibition laws in the U. S. was it not?

They noticed that they had opened up a can of worms and then closed it after most of the worms had escaped?

The same will happen when they repeal present prohibitions.

We all know that some will fall into problems thanks to drug abuse.

We also know that normal drug use is done for pleasure and not problems and that most have no problems at all except for the illegality.

If we are to base our laws on per capita harm, then we would have to outlaw cars and smoke stacks.
Their stats are much worse than that of all the psychotropic drugs combined.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

Most of the negative results I see are those that prohibitions bring.

That was why they repealed the prohibition laws in the U. S. was it not?

They noticed that they had opened up a can of worms and then closed it after most of the worms had escaped?

The same will happen when they repeal present prohibitions.

We all know that some will fall into problems thanks to drug abuse.

We also know that normal drug use is done for pleasure and not problems and that most have no problems at all except for the illegality.

If we are to base our laws on per capita harm, then we would have to outlaw cars and smoke stacks.
Their stats are much worse than that of all the psychotropic drugs combined.

Regards
DL

Most of the negative results I see are those that prohibitions bring.

That was why they repealed the prohibition laws in the U. S. was it not?

Irrelevant.
We are discussing morality.

They noticed that they had opened up a can of worms and then closed it after most of the worms had escaped?

The same will happen when they repeal present prohibitions.

That is an argument that alcoholism is a moral activity.
No one has claimed that Prohibition was a practical solution.
The issue was the morality of alcoholism.
The 'solution' was draconian and failed but failure does not make the act of abusing alcohol moral.
This seems lost to you.

We all know that some will fall into problems thanks to drug abuse.

Indeed.
But you offer nothing other than legally embracing abuse to the point of supporting a culture of drug abuse.

That is what contradicts this thread.
You argue in support of an immoral act while decrying the state of what you see as an immoral society.

There is no logic to that.........it's contradictory.

We also know that normal drug use is done for pleasure and not problems and that most have no problems at all except for the illegality.

Looks like you are ignoring the history of alcoholism.
Addiction has been a very destructive element in society.
Here is a general google search and as you can see, quite extensive.
Change the search terms slightly and more comes up.
http://www.google.com/search?sclien...destructive+alcoholism+in+the+USA&btnG=Search

The argument to support drug abuse is immoral.

If we are to base our laws on per capita harm, then we would have to outlaw cars and smoke stacks.

Actually, the outlawing of transportation in the form of cars, and manufacturing, electrical generation....would be more harmful to our existing society than retaining it. That's not an argument not to improve the present situation.....but it does show that you aren't forward thinking and critical thinking is a concept completely lost to you.


That wasn't even a good attempt to rationalize drug abuse.
Try again