McCain Suggests Physical Force to Prevent Ahmadinejad From Visiting World Trade Cente

[groundpounder]

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We have never needed the UN's 'permission' to take military action.

No, but it wouldn't have hurt to have gotten it. Would have averted at least some ill will about our cavalier foreign policy in Iraq. :cool

 

[groundpounder]

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I come from a military family and I love military history and warfare.

Interesting, because you sure don't show respect like your 'military family' I think would have taught you. These posts are disgraceful, especially considering you come from a 'military family.'
Utterly disgraceful.

Its no secret that various American Organizations have helped and or funded terrorist organizations in other countries, thats a well documented fact.

Well, then document it. And don't plagiarize Tim, either - do your own work. Be specific, too - it's a job hazard if you're going to talk this type of noise.

Why not? America is a terrorist supporting nation as well.

As far as I'm concerned, the Iraq war *IS* terrorism, and an injustice.

average grunt

The average jarhead

...except some of them do take part in terrorizing people.

I think the people in charge of this whole operation are the terrorists.

I have family members in the service why would I label all of them so flippantly? Thats because I'm not.

oh, but you are. You said the Iraq war. You did not differentiate between rank and file. You labeled them ALL. And the whole nation while you were at it.

Again, I don't think the majority are taking part in terrorist acts, at all.

But at least here you started to attempt to pull your cleverly and deeply imbedded foot out of your piehole. Good work

The majority of the troops are unwitting players in this international game of war, a lot of whom do not even agree with this war.

you got some stats to back that up? Surveys? Something? Anything? Because I'm not buying what you're selling, which is nothing more than coffeehouse philosophy without hard stats to back it up.

I actually agree with you with the rest of your post.

This brings me little comfort and zero sense of accomplishment.

 

[Tim]

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The full picture is that 20/20 hindsight is a beautiful thing. The full picture is that this country is no more perfect than you are. The full picture is that on a whole this country still strives to fight injustice. The full picture is that just because wrongs were committed in the past does not mean we should not strive to change and do what is right now and for the future. So in short, just because we supported a terrorist wrongly and/or indirectly does not mean a hill of beans right now. Live in the past or learn and move forward.

It does count for something though. We accuse all of these countries of supporting terrorism and continue to demonize them, while we had a hand in spawning a lot of terrorist organizations.

They continue to support terrorism.

So do we Grace, this was my point from the start. You can't just close your eyes to the fact that the US HAS sponsored terrorist organizations when it suited our needs. This has been a practice for years and it's still going on today. It doesn't matter what our intentions are or what the possible outcome may be, it's the fact that our government willingly gives them support. How do you justify that? Is it ok because they haven't attacked us yet?

Grace, you think supporting terrorist organizations are just past mistakes by the US? Then look into the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, or MEK. We are actively supporting this terrorist organization, providing them money, support and the U.S. military regularly escorts MEK supply runs between Baghdad and its base, Camp Ashraf. Yet the U.S. State Department considers the MEK a terrorist organization -- meaning no American can deal with it; U.S. banks must freeze its assets; and any American giving support to its members is committing a crime.

No, never said that.

Yep I am familiar with MEK and why we are dealing with them which can't be explained in a few sentences. Not everything is perfect and it is certainly not simple.

So you have no problem with us supporting MEK?

The MEK is based in Iraq, has taken part in operations against the Kurds and Shia, has been responsible for killing Americans in Iran, and has supported the takeover of the American Embassy in Tehran.

but I guess any enemy of our enemy (Iran) is our friend who deserves our support.

So before you say that the US doesn't support terrorist organizations, know that even if it seems like a good cause, it's supporting them just the same.

 

[dt3]

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A lot of you haven't answered the question. Should Ahmadinejad be allowed to go to Ground Zero?

 

[All Else Failed]

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Interesting, because you sure don't show respect like your 'military family' I think would have taught you. These posts are disgraceful, especially considering you come from a 'military family.'
Utterly disgraceful.

Well, then document it. And don't plagiarize Tim, either - do your own work. Be specific, too - it's a job hazard if you're going to talk this type of noise.



oh, but you are. You said the Iraq war. You did not differentiate between rank and file. You labeled them ALL. And the whole nation while you were at it.But at least here you started to attempt to pull your cleverly and deeply imbedded foot out of your piehole. Good work


you got some stats to back that up? Surveys? Something? Anything? Because I'm not buying what you're selling, which is nothing more than coffeehouse philosophy without hard stats to back it up.



This brings me little comfort and zero sense of accomplishment.

I do admit I should have made my posts more clear, but you will see what I meant on the last page. You should read them better.


I respect what the troops are going through. Its an incredibly tough situation to be in, I just don't support what this administration is doing with its policies.



I already cited some terrorists we helped fund and train, and tim did too. Entire books have been written on it. Its a widely know fact that we basically gave Bin Laden his start in Afghanistan.

 

[All Else Failed]

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No, but it wouldn't have hurt to have gotten it. Would have averted at least some ill will about our cavalier foreign policy in Iraq. :cool

Agreed.

 

[Tim]

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A lot of you haven't answered the question. Should Ahmadinejad be allowed to go to Ground Zero?

That's a tough question to answer... I don't know what the right answer is.

My personal thoughts on it. I say No. When he comes to this country for UN business, he should only be allowed to remain in the Allowable zone of the UN. He should be allowed to conduct his business and then leave. Until he complies with the UN sanctions, he should not be allowed to "site see" in the US, no matter the reason.

 

[GraceAbounds]

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Tim, I am from the philosophy that intentions matter. End goals matter. Don't read into this, like you do all of my posts, and think that I am saying something that I am not. I am not saying it doesn't matter how we get from A to B. It does, but at the same token we live in an unperfect world and are having to operate and navigate in it.

I also believe that we pick and choose our battles because we can't fight them all at once. This is a wise thing to do in my opinion. I understand it may not be in yours. We just see things differently.

 

[GraceAbounds]

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No, but it wouldn't have hurt to have gotten it. Would have averted at least some ill will about our cavalier foreign policy in Iraq. :cool

Of course it would not have hurt if we had gotten it, but we can not let the UN that is full of leaders that do not represent our country dictate whether we use military action or not.

 

[All Else Failed]

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You can rationalize it till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that we are a terrorist supporting nation.

 

[GraceAbounds]

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You can rationalize it till you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that we are a terrorist supporting nation.

You rationalize plenty when it comes to something you believe is right AEF. Everyone does in one form or another.

Hear me again in different words - I do not agree with every decision that is made in regards to who we let under the radar and who we don't, which I think is what you are misunderstanding about what I am saying. What I do believe in is the intentions and the end result.

 

[All Else Failed]

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You rationalize plenty when it comes to something you believe is right AEF. Everyone does in one form or another.

Hear me again in different words - I do not agree with every decision that is made in regards to who we let under the radar and who we don't, which I think is what you are misunderstanding about what I am saying. What I do believe in is the intentions and the end result.

So the ends justify the means? So the money we gave to the various middle eastern groups that carried out the killing of civillians, is just a means to an end? You know, those same groups that we helped start, crashed planes into the WTC's.

 

[GraceAbounds]

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So the ends justify the means? So the money we gave to the various middle eastern gorups that carried out the killing of civillians is just a means to an end.

I've already answered this question in my posts. I don't how many times I can type the same thing in a different way.

:horse

 

[All Else Failed]

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I've already answered this question in my posts. I don't how many times I can type the same thing in a different way.

:horse

Either way I think you're justifying terrorism as long as we do it.

 

[GraceAbounds]

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Well good for you.

 

[All Else Failed]

Re: McCain Suggests Physical Force to Prevent Ahmadinejad From Visiting World Trade C

I call them as I seem them.

;^D

 

[GraceAbounds]

Re: McCain Suggests Physical Force to Prevent Ahmadinejad From Visiting World Trade C

Well then maybe you should get your vision checked.

 

[All Else Failed]

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Nonsense I'm wearing my glasses!

 

[GraceAbounds]

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I know you are but what am I. I know you are but what am I. I know you are but what am I.

:tongue:

 

[All Else Failed]

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Imma' firemannnnnn!!!!11!!