Marine Drill Sergeant Charged With 224 Counts of Abusing Recruits

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Which one? He had a bunch! ;)
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Here's one and I left the other favorite in the leave a message thread:

You fuckin' people. You have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did was weaken a country today, Kaffee. That's all you did. You put people's lives in danger. Sweet dreams, son.
 
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Yep, can't wait to see the woman president who talks things over with the "bad" guys. Everyone criticizes war, but just wait until it makes its way over to our shores when we have a "talker" as President.

I am not condoning the "beating" of recruits, but what constitutes a beating? A "love" tap of a tent pole when a recruit isn't smart enough to build the hooch or throwing a recruit into a garbage can doesn't constitute beating. Derogatory? Maybe. But when that recruit becomes a Marine and is on the battlefield, he won't think to question a given order. I bet the recruit stopped doing whatever he was doing to get thrown into the darn trash can.

A famous quote from Jack Nicholson comes to mind right about now...
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I don't know what the hell I would do if I was your son.
 
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Dodge_Sniper said:
Even without that comparison, you can't say that instructor didn't cross the line.
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Yes, I can. Here's a quote from the article: " No member of his platoon was seriously injured". If he had these guys on the ground defenseless while he smacked them around with tent poles, somebody would've been hurt.

Here's my hypothesis: he hit a guy on the helmet for screwing something up. See, from personal experience, I know the only times you set up shelter halves (when you'd have the poles around) in boot camp is during field exercises.

Which means the recruit he "beat" would've been wearing a flak jacket and a kevlar helmet. Which makes it awfully damn tough to hurt him.

Which brings up this point. What if the recruit had taken off his helmet? What if that was the reason the drill instructor decided to pick up a tent pole and hit him with it?

What if because of that experience, the recruit goes to Iraq and has the discipline to keep his helmet on even though it's 130 degrees and he wants nothing more than to dump a bottle of water on his head? And then that Marine gets shot in the helmet, and it saves his life.

Did the DI really do anything wrong? I don't think so.
 
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Yes, I can. Here's a quote from the article: " No member of his platoon was seriously injured". If he had these guys on the ground defenseless while he smacked them around with tent poles, somebody would've been hurt.

Here's my hypothesis: he hit a guy on the helmet for screwing something up. See, from personal experience, I know the only times you set up shelter halves (when you'd have the poles around) in boot camp is during field exercises.

Which means the recruit he "beat" would've been wearing a flak jacket and a kevlar helmet. Which makes it awfully damn tough to hurt him.

Which brings up this point. What if the recruit had taken off his helmet? What if that was the reason the drill instructor to pick up a tent pole and hit him with it once across the body?

What if because of that experience, the recruit goes to Iraq and has the discipline to keep his helmet on even though it's 130 degrees and he wants nothing more than to dump a bottle of water on his head? And then that Marine gets shot in the helmet, and it saves his life.

Did the DI really do anything wrong? I don't think so.
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key word that most of the people posting in here is missing and can't understand
 
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UncleBacon said:
key word that most of the people posting in here is missing and can't understand
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Very true. The only people against it are the ones who haven't been through it. Except that JuJu fella, but judging by his use of the word "trainee" I doubt he was a Marine. I'll even go as far as to guess he was in the Air Farce.
 
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I used to have a football coach who would line up and whack kids. He almost killed us every practice, but we always won, and we respected him, because we feared him. I also had a coach who was more of a Zen master, but understood every strategic move known to man. He never made someone feel lower then how they should feel on their own, and we never lost under him either.
Its a sad comparison, but as close as some can get without going to war. One thing I did notice was that with the team with the tempered coach, we may have won, but we had a lot of unchecked aggression and lots of penalties that could have cost more then one game. As for the other team, it was always smooth, always a blow out, and always ended with the utmost respect for the other team. Not only that, but I feel I learned a lot more from a calm strategy, then "tough love", because tough love is already a given in life, and using tough love to overcome anything is easier to find then finding a level head.
 
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I used to have a football coach who would line up and whack kids. He almost killed us every practice, but we always won, and we respected him, because we feared him. I also had a coach who was more of a Zen master, but understood every strategic move known to man. He never made someone feel lower then how they should feel on their own, and we never lost under him either.
Its a sad comparison, but as close as some can get without going to war. One thing I did notice was that with the team with the tempered coach, we may have won, but we had a lot of unchecked aggression and lots of penalties that could have cost more then one game. As for the other team, it was always smooth, always a blow out, and always ended with the utmost respect for the other team. Not only that, but I feel I learned a lot more from a calm strategy, then "tough love", because tough love is already a given in life, and using tough love to overcome anything is easier to find then finding a level head.
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The statement that I bolded bothers me. Respect should never be earned by fear. The DI did not hit the recruits with tent poles for respect, I am almost 100% positive it was because they were being dumb ass recruits. Fear is not a good motivator for respect, IMHO.
 
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