late term abortions..

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at 8 months the child is at full term, and can easily survive outside the womb...don't you think anyone who would even try to abort that late is a total idiot? seriously? why not carry 1 more month and give the baby a chance at adoption? And not wanting to go through labor is no excuse, because at 8 months an abortion includes full on labor and delivery. They are just killing the baby first. That's totally unfair. They could just deliver it early and save it's life. What is the point of killing it?!

I'm not here to say whether or not a person who aborts a baby in later term is "wrong" or not. I'm saying it should be a right that women should have available to them.

 

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Its not like I'm seeking approval.

I myself was not dissing your opinion nor approving it. I just stated that I knew what side of the fence you are on about it, and that you've been consistent with your viewpoints. You are fact-oriented.

 

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so you know your opinion is wrong then in that case ..glad we sorted that out
if you can give no better explanation than that your opinion is contrary to society's..and that it is a womans right to murder a baby which is viable for goodness knows what reason ,then you are wrong and have admitted it to us.
i cannot wait until you are about to be a father and then see what your opinion is then..oh and i really hope that you have that experience in a nice way ,and not to be difficult with you

Rights are facts and are recognized by society as being so, so me stating facts and rights isn't me being "wrong". Its merely stating the rights that are available to women.

 

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I myself was not dissing your opinion nor approving it. I just stated that I knew what side of the fence you are on about it, and that you've been consistent with your viewpoints. You are fact-oriented.

I was addressing the others, not so much you. But thanks.

 

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wheres AEF bloody well gone now?:smiley24:

Sorry i had to go eat some babies, because you know, thats what I do.

 

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I myself was not dissing your opinion nor approving it. I just stated that I knew what side of the fence you are on about it, and that you've been consistent with your viewpoints. You are fact-oriented.

Actually his opinion makes him a hypocrite. He believes it is wrong to put a convicted serial killer to death but it is perfectly acceptable to murder an innocent baby for the convenience of the mother.

 

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Actually his opinion makes him a hypocrite. He believes it is wrong to put a convicted serial killer to death but it is perfectly acceptable to murder an innocent baby for the convenience of the mother.

Nope, an unborn baby doesn't have rights, a fully grown person does.

OMG HORRIBLE MONSTER MAAAN!

 

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so even if you believe something is wrong, you think it is ok because it shoudl be someone's right?

 

[BreakfastSurreal]

babys are innocent. they have never committed a wrong. a murderer on death row on the other hand has had a fair shot that a baby has never had...

 

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so even if you believe something is wrong, you think it is ok because it shoudl be someone's right?

Sure. I don't think dumb people should vote, but they can and I'm ok with the fact because we live in a *lol* "democracy" and I can't change that.

 

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Nope, an unborn baby doesn't have rights, a fully grown person does.

Actually they do have rights which is why you see laws to that effect. Also a convicted serial killer loses many rights, including his right to live as per the law.

OMG HORRIBLE MONSTER MAAAN!

Yes you appear to be just that.

 

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babys are innocent. they have never committed a wrong. a murderer on death row on the other hand has had a fair shot that a baby has never had...

One has rights


the other doesn't.

 

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Actually they do have rights which is why you see laws to that effect. Also a convicted serial killer loses many rights, including his right to live as per the law.

Yes you appear to be just that.

I'm under your bed!

 

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Actually his opinion makes him a hypocrite. He believes it is wrong to put a convicted serial killer to death but it is perfectly acceptable to murder an innocent baby for the convenience of the mother.

I don't think he quite says it like that though, and that is truly putting phrases into his opinion.
The issue of convicted serial killers is so obtuse from the issue of an unborn baby.
The convicted serial killer is an adult and I believe that AEF justifies not putting that person through capital punishment, because that person does have rights (in his opinion.)
He says the unborn baby does not have rights.
So I see no hypocrisy here.
Rights vs. no rights. Two different issues.

 

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yeah I just want to make it clear that this is MY OPINION.

 

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I don't think he quite says it like that though, and that is truly putting phrases into his opinion.
The issue of convicted serial killers is so obtuse from the issue of an unborn baby.
The convicted serial killer is an adult and I believe that AEF justifies not putting that person through capital punishment, because that person does have rights (in his opinion.)
He says the unborn baby does not have rights.
So I see no hypocrisy here.
Rights vs. no rights. Two different issues.

Unborn babies do have rights. And he is using a perceived technicality to murder and innocent baby as apposed to putting to death a convicted murdered.
Saying he deals in facts is a joke.

 

[gLing]

One has rights


the other doesn't.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about.

 

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And a person's opinion is theirs. They own it. We don't agree with each other. Fact.
I hear some speaking of the baby's innocence, how it did nothing to deserve to die. That is all well and good, but if the opinion is that the child has no rights, then those opinions don't matter.
I'd be interested in knowing how Ron came to the conclusion that an unborn baby has no rights. Is it simply a matter of definition to you, or is there more to it than that?

 

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Unborn babies do have rights. And he is using a perceived technicality to murder and innocent baby as apposed to putting to death a convicted murdered.
Saying he deals in facts is a joke.

Do you really think I want babies to be killed? I don't. I just think that its a woman's choice.

personally, I don't agree with late term abortions, but we're not talking about what I want.

 

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Saying he deals in facts is a joke.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about.

Gina, you're bordering on mud slinging here, which is taking away from the discussion.

He deals in facts AS HE SEES THEM. Not your facts. His facts. No joke there.

And he does know what he is talking about. This is HIS opinion. Not yours. You don't understand it, but that does not give you the almighty right to claim he doesn't know what he is talking about.