Keep our dirty, bloody, dollar soaked fingers out of the business of these [Third World] nations
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Do you suggest we let the taliban and aq do as they please in these nations?
Alien Allen
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yeah Afghanistan was really showing signs of being more modern until the USSR and we had to stop them in their tracks 
Wow, flooding the general discussion forum with your hatred of the US .
Looks like I upset you more than I thought in the debate forum and so you fled to escape my commentaries.
Posting a quote by an American himself makes you fluster and you turn the gun of your stupid frustration on me? Rest assure I do not hate the US or anyone for that sake. I just wanted to show you what's going on in your own countries (if you are an American) and what is going on does Matter!!
Regret you have nothing to come up with in a debate except whining about a few accusations on Muslims and Pakistan....and that proves your bias.
Catch them if you can but past 11 years have proved that you failed and only stirred the pot for more universal trouble. Make your fences strong rather than destroy your neighbors (or someone else's) house....
No one can be the 'policeman or watchman of the world'.....but the US thinks she is and has exposed all including its citizens to trouble...
yeah Afghanistan was really showing signs of being more modern until the USSR and we had to stop them in their tracks
wrong.....if the Russians had set foot in Afghanistan things would have been better there. Before that Afghanistan had a King, not a democracy, and no sooner he was deposed chaos took over in that country. YOU did not defeat the Russians WE did.
Listen to Hillary Clinton's speech and words of other American think tanks and you will know how frankly they admitted publicly that after the warring Afghan and Pakistani nationals beat and drove off the Russkie's it (America ) ditched them . Later the same nationals whom the entire media of that time termed as the Mujahiddins (Muslims Jihadists or Crusaders) who were trained by the Uncle Sam itself took a stand against ingrate America slipping over its promises made to them so much so that they rebelled and are now termed as Taliban .....as you sow so shall you reap goes the old saying...
They are in pk..where you have given them designated areas to operate...why not just have several nations join forces and just crater the areas.
Why protect them like bin laden?
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Funny!!! I had been telling you that more than a thousand miles of border adjoining Afghanistan and Pakistan is a difficult terrain out of control of Pakistan or even Afghanistan...and it's totally tribal. Bomb them if you like but more of innocent people there would be killed than the criminals. That's what the drones were doing and consequently losing sympathy of the innocent victims families towards the US or Nato .
Afghanistan and Pakistan are neighbors having common boundries and they have to live as such, hence their political policies. The US may be a friend as it changed in the past it can change anytime in future. I think both Afghanistan and Pakistan lack trust in America after it let them down after Pakistan drove away Russkie's from Afghanistan. That war was won by Pakistan, not America. Even the present war is being fought by Pakistan as the proxy of the US..
Pakistan doesn't hide any Taliban in its territory but also does not have complete control over them...America must be knowing the reasons better....You and I don't,.
It doesn't take 11 long years to fuck them......do it if you have the might and money.
I dont think you hate the US either..but constant attempts to show fault with our country does look bad considering your culture is still based on ideals several hundred years old.
While we are not perfect we do strive for excellence although we do fall short I admit.
You forget that I already admitted the Western superiority in scientific field; told you that your culture is totally contrary to ours, Muslims, and even the Hindu's and Buddhists. We Muslims too had a Golden Age of Science and Development...but that has somehow lost now. You too once lived in Dark Ages when Muslims stood No.1. I don't think we Muslims ever taunted at you for your failures or degression...that being a matter of time. But i noted on the forum that people like Stone having nothing else but to drum up half baked stories about Muslims and their culture..
Quran came to change the culture ...a culture where new born female babies were buried alive; when all kinds of evil prevailed in the world. This was the reason that Islam spread through out the world rapidly and is still spreading fast in America and the West. YOUR culture has done nothing to influence them over the centuries which in itself proves the weaknesses of your culture, traditionsa nd societal norms. On the contrary Most of the Muslims today are converts from Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, sikhs and many other religions, dead or alive.
I have shown you the mirror and you should now realize that it's bad to throw stones at others from your 'glass houses''......
I do not defend Muslims as flawless....there are bad Muslims too but abusing the Quranic tenets is not tenable and I have to revert to clarify and cleanse the dirt that have been smeared on some brains trhough the dinning of rubbish of rumors and hearsay and half baked news on some unaware or smart alec minds.....
I don't think there is anything wrong in my intimating you the evils of your society as seen and told by your men themselves. It shouldn't be taken as what you do...ie Islam bashing...don't do it or lick it.
No one is bashing Islam..they do bash cultures though that practice nasty deeds from the book of worship.
There are seversl sects of islam and each has a different take on what to follow
We have had on ocassion people in the US for example do nasty deeds stateing they are following the bible...this is old testement stuff.
But the bible as well as the quran can be interpreted differently in regard to several passages.
Let take Aq and the Taliban for example..they pick what they want and disregard the rest.
Here is what the problem is maz...radical islam is in the rise..not on the decline. ..the more there are the more will follow..as being islamic is to be proud to be pure...that opens the gate for easy brainwashing as they attack other muslims for being (lesser) muslims.
This makes the muslim feel that he is in the wrong and not a good practicing muslim..thus atarts to take passages literally..additionally we have uprisings in the ME as these people feel that the govt is not islamic enough..see the problem is that islam is one unity which calls for islamic law. .problem is who is doing the interpreting of the Quran..as that is the varible.
Islam calls for a very strong social structure with deviation to be dealt with accordingly..the punishments can be very harsh and brutal.
Law and religion have to remain seperate to avoid the problems..also no exceptions should be made as has been done with the taliban for instance.
I agree with you on that Muslims are not unanimous on Islamic jurisprudence and every sect has it's only interpretation of Quranic tenets. But even then the point in case is that NOT a single change has occurred in the main text of the Quran and it remains universally the same with all Muslims all over the world! This could also mean that interpretations may be fallacious but not the contents of the Quran. Unlike Bible which has been modified several times, Quran hasn't. Not even a fullstop or comma has been changed. This sounds a very exceptional thing given that billions people believe in it.
there is NO way to change the interpretations made by different sects who have chosen their own leaders called Imams , Allama's , Mufti's or Khalifa's, etc. Like the Pope Muslims do not have a spear head...there are many dunghouses opened up by all sects. this lack of unity or understanding between Muslims themselves is certainly a big stumbling block in their progress.
As for Law and Quran being separated ,,,Hmm..it is rather impossible because I note that many Muslims are now vying for Quranic implications. Because the Quran tenets guarantee complete safety and security to Muslims many Muslims desperately want it despite the harsh punishments it proposes. An overview of Islamic principles show that one can live without any fear in a True Islamic Welfare State....but unfortunately such a state doesn't exist and has never after the demise of the 4th Caliph. Ali. Saudia does enforce Sharia which is not totally wrong...As you can see it curtails crimes and keeps people's mind level. However, the enforcement of Sharia by the Saudi's is politically motivated or seems to be and aims to defend its Sultanate from demise.Ie it helps Saudi family prolong its rule .
Given democracy Saudia won't even exist for a single day!!
In countries like Pakistan, Bangla Desh and even India, Democracy is a farce!
Religious and sectarian prejudices are still rampant in these countries.
As regards Pakistan, yes, the radical element has gotten very strong....and because they have a greater following the govt cannot dismiss their demands as long as it runs by democracy. So what seems good for Pakistan is dictatorship....we people deserve harsh laws to keep straight....we need a leader like Kamal Ataturk of Turkey who can screw the illiterate clergy and bring reform in society.
Cultural problems too can only be resolved through batten...
What do you expect from a country and its people who don't even have correct stats and where even the number of population is not fully known??
What can one do in areas where the writ of govt is absent...such as the areas up north Pakistan and inhabited by Taliban or their supporters or non-supporters alike??
Sitting back in a well organized and civilized country you shouldn';t expect much change unless you take back your democracy from Muslim populated lands.
sorry, I have to say so because this time you wrote sense and I have to be honest with you. Read Muslim history and you will note all bloodshed and tyranny yet it is remarkable the the Golden Age of Muslim progress was made during such times!!
You hate us for being what your culture isn't incapable of, even with all our faults.
All one has to do is survey all the hate threads you post, mazHur.
All you are doing is what the princess Neiwan didn't accomplish.
As far as my comments on your immoral and barbaric culture, the responses have been directed at your denials which started in your own princess thread as you posted one barbaric act after another and claimed it was culturally acceptable and our criticism wasn't welcome.
Tough Shit!
What ever you claim my bias might be, at least I'm not the racist you presented yourself to be.
But I do have a bias concerning the barbarism you equate as culture and am not in any way ashamed to admit it.
Agreed.
It's the moral degradation and hypocrisy of their cultural practices that's been pointed out.
mazHur.......you started this messy conflict when you thought you could pull off acceptance of the brutality shown towards women in your society.
All that you complain about is blow back from your princess thread.
You brought those evils into this forum. What in the world did you expect to result from you claiming it was moral?
All I see now is a weak mind hiding behind theology, using his religious beliefs as a shield.
It hasn't been about your religion, it's been about your culture's incredible depravity and your denials.
You hate us for being what your culture isn't incapable of, even with all our faults.
All one has to do is survey all the hate threads you post, mazHur.
All you are doing is what the princess Neiwan didn't accomplish.
As far as my comments on your immoral and barbaric culture, the responses have been directed at your denials which started in your own princess thread as you posted one barbaric act after another and claimed it was culturally acceptable and our criticism wasn't welcome.
Tough Shit!
What ever you claim my bias might be, at least I'm not the racist you presented yourself to be.
But I do have a bias concerning the barbarism you equate as culture and am not in any way ashamed to admit it.
Stop talking rubbish. I don't like baseless accusations from you grumbling brat.
Just reread the sick words you have written about our culture,,,and that's not the way to argue in a debate. The Man is a better critique than you who honks whatever comes to his minds thoughtlessly or with premeditated bias.
How unashamedly you tow the line of others,,,,,like a sycophant or a dumb not having his own mind!
this is for you,,,,
Incensed secularists pile on David Cameron for saying that Britain is
by whyevolutionistrue
Four days ago I described a Torygraph piece recounting Prime Minister David Cameron's recent spate of pro-religious remarks, including these:
The prime minister’s religious messages began last week with an Easter reception at Downing Street, at which he said religion had brought him his greatest moments of peace and claimed “Jesus invented the big society 2,000 years ago”.
He also released a videoed Easter message for the country, in which he talked about the “countless acts of kindness carried out by those who believe in and follow Christ”.
In a separate article for the Church Times, he argued that some atheists and agnostics did not understand that faith could be a “guide or a helpful prod in the right direction” towards morality.
While acknowledging many non-believers have a moral code and some Christians do not, he added: “People who advocate some sort of secular neutrality fail to grasp the consequences of that neutrality, or the role that faith can play in helping people to have a moral code.
“I believe we should be more confident about our status as a Christian country, more ambitious about expanding the role of faith-based organisations, and, frankly, more evangelical about a faith that compels us to get out there and make a difference to people’s lives.”
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