JESUS in Christianity, JESUS in Islam: Which account is historically correct?

JESUS in Christianity, JESUS in Islam: Which account is historically correct?

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Muslims and Christians agree that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he performed mighty miracles, and that he is now alive. We believe that he was the Messiah, a prophet of God, and his righteous Servant. But we also disagree on some things ( The main thing is his divinity ). Can a historical study help us to decide who has the true account of Jesus? I believe so.
Christians believe that Jesus was the divine Son of God, that he is the second person of the Holy Trinity, and that he is our personal savior who died for the sins of the world. On these points Christianity diverges from Islam. Therefore ( as a muslim ) I think that on these points Christianity also diverges from the true historical Jesus.
 
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So you actually went there, huh? I doubt that anyone will take part in this thread. We are the only believers from what i have seen. I will sit back and watch the responses anyway.
 
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StanJon said:
So you actually went there, huh? I doubt that anyone will take part in this thread. We are the only believers from what i have seen. I will sit back and watch the responses anyway.
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Ok, I will start with the divinity of Jesus:

In Mark ( 11 ) we have: """Jesus entered Jerusalem and came into the temple; and after looking around at everything, He left for Bethany with the twelve, since it was already late.12 On the next day, when they had left Bethany, He became hungry. 13 Seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs"""

Why didn't Jesus ( who has the divine nature and who is the all-knowing ) know that it was not the season for figs ? and why he didn't know that the tree had no fig ? doesn't that mean that he is not the all knowing ? so he was never GOD or even had never the divine nature ?

He meant that clearly when he said : “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.” (Mark 10:18).

Waiting for an answer.
 
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Sylviane88 said:
Ok, I will start with the divinity of Jesus:

In Mark ( 11 ) we have: """Jesus entered Jerusalem and came into the temple; and after looking around at everything, He left for Bethany with the twelve, since it was already late.12 On the next day, when they had left Bethany, He became hungry. 13 Seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs"""

Why didn't Jesus ( who has the divine nature and who is the all-knowing ) know that it was not the season for figs ? and why he didn't know that the tree had no fig ? doesn't that mean that he is not the all knowing ? so he was never GOD or even had never the divine nature ?

He meant that clearly when he said : “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.” (Mark 10:18).

Waiting for an answer.
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So, is there an answer yet ? All the followers of Jesus all seemed pretty convinced that Jesus was fully God in human form. Did Jesus ever claim to be God?

According to bible: “God is not a man...nor a son of man…” Numbers 23:19

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him !!! John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.” ... John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.” ...The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus prayed to God all night !!! : Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.”

The Bible says that Jesus could not Do Anything by Himself: John 5:19 “The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.” ... John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing.” So Jesus did not consider himself equal with God, rather he denied doing anything by himself ... if Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus

Now, read this : Mark 5:30 “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’” ... Mark 6:5 “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.” ... Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.

Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning, but God is All Wise & does not (need to) learn according to bible itself: Psalms 147:5 “Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.” ... however : Luke 2:52: “And Jesus increased in wisdom.” ... God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned !!!

Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him: Matt 28:18 “All power is given unto me.” ... God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak.

Therefore again, Jesus could not be God.

 
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Ok so far we have two members who have chosen the first option ! can we hear from them? .. I will not vote until I'll get answers!​
 
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