It's Election Day

[porterjack]

Hooray for gridlock, baby!! :yahoo:

does gridlock ensure some compromise is needed to acheive anything or do you like it because it takes away carte blanche spending

we ahve aminority govt in Canada, which some see as positive as it forces the two opposing views to sometimes find common ground

 

[Minor Axis]

Tim it amazes me that people question the need for voter ID

Why is it such a big deal to require ID ??

We require it but it is a joke because you can sign on the back to swear you really are who you say you are.

No fraud is good regardless of how it happens. Personally I am more concerned about shenanigans behind the scenes with the machines. I am not paranoid about it like some and looking for something that is not there. Just saying we need to always be vigilant to ensure the most legit process is used

ID if not, should be a requirement. I was asked to produce my drivers license. If I did not have it, I don't know, should have asked.

Brown destroyed the state 30 years ago. Why in God's name do people want to give him another chance to make things even worse here than they are already? Wait, I'll tell you why... because the citizens of this God forsaken state are fucking idiots, that's why.

People vote based on perceived philosophy, trigger issues, not competence, not results, and they are very gullible. This cuts in all directions. When a candidate who would not have voted for the Civil Rights Bill wins election to a Senate seat in 2010, I just shake my head and say "wtf". At least the Witch did not win.

With the outcome of the election, Republicans taking back the house, I see nothing being accomplished in Congress until the next Presidential election and I don't expect Obama to be reelected. Hoping I'm wrong. After all he raised our taxes. :smiley24:

 

[Alien Allen]

Show me where he said he would not vote for it?

I do not think you can find that but if so I would like to see it

His comments were distorted and he made it clear right away what his feelings are

 

[Minor Axis]

Show me where he said he would not vote for it?

I heard an interview (not heard of it, heard Rand speaking) where he was asked about his statement of not supporting the Civil Rights Bill and I heard him say, he can't get away from his comment.

Here read this: Huffington Post- Rand on Civil Rights. The gist of it is that while Paul says he does not believe in discrimination, he believes based on the Constitution it is the individuals right to discriminate. I don't know exactly where the Constitution makes this distinction, Paul believes the government should not be able the discriminate, but the Constitution grants the owner of a restaurant the freedom to discriminate and turn people away based on their race, sex, or whatever. This is the part of the Civil Rights Act he does not support.

 

[Accountable]

does gridlock ensure some compromise is needed to acheive anything or do you like it because it takes away carte blanche spending

we ahve aminority govt in Canada, which some see as positive as it forces the two opposing views to sometimes find common ground

Spending will continue to increase. Spending always continues to increase. They just spin a reduction in the planned increase as a cut in spending so they can look fiscally responsible. Plan a $10b increase, pass 8 of it ... Hey look! We've cut spending by 2 billion dollars!

Gridlock slows the process down. The process is supposed to be slow in the first place, to guard against gov't abuses. Bipartisan efforts to circumvent the process by passing omnibus bills, hiding laws that would never pass in the light of day inside more popular bills, attaching unrelated spending (pork) as last-minute amendments, etc. have made our federal gov't the bloated, overbearing, overreaching, overspending catastrophe we see today. It's not in a republicrat's DNA to actually cut anything from the gov't. Gridlock is the best I can hope for until Washington collapses under its own weight.

Meanwhile, I'll do what I can to convince people that the forces (political parties and their major funders) in control in Washington are not working in our best interests and need to be eliminated, in spite of the hopelessness of it ever working.

 

[Accountable]

ID if not, should be a requirement. I was asked to produce my drivers license. If I did not have it, I don't know, should have asked.

I thought about not producing mine to find out, too. I think they have a sample signature to compare, if you voted last year, and some other personal information such as full middle name, birth date, address.

At least the Witch did not win.

She was a distraction to cover something else. I wonder if it worked.

When a candidate who would not have voted for the Civil Rights Bill wins election to a Senate seat in 2010, I just shake my head and say "wtf".

I heard an interview (not heard of it, heard Rand speaking) where he was asked about his statement of not supporting the Civil Rights Bill and I heard him say, he can't get away from his comment.

Here read this: Huffington Post- Rand on Civil Rights. The gist of it is that while Paul says he does not believe in discrimination, he believes based on the Constitution it is the individuals right to discriminate. I don't know exactly where the Constitution makes this distinction, Paul believes the government should not be able the discriminate, but the Constitution grants the owner of a restaurant the freedom to discriminate and turn people away based on their race, sex, or whatever. This is the part of the Civil Rights Act he does not support.

I don't think the Huffington Post is capable of publishing anything without spinning, and the Constitution grants nothing at all to individual citizens; it limits the power of the federal government.

Nevertheless, to suggest that not supporting a part of a bill equates to not voting for it is a leap. I wouldn't have voted for the CRA for exactly those reasons you list here, but then again I would suck as a politician.

 

[porterjack]

Meanwhile, I'll do what I can to convince people that the forces (political parties and their major funders) in control in Washington are not working in our best interests and need to be eliminated, in spite of the hopelessness of it ever working.

best of luck:clap

 

[Minor Axis]

Spending will continue to increase. Spending always continues to increase. They just spin a reduction in the planned increase as a cut in spending so they can look fiscally responsible. Plan a $10b increase, pass 8 of it ... Hey look! We've cut spending by 2 billion dollars!

This is something that aggravates me too. If the planned increase in a program is canceled, it is described as a cut.

I don't think the Huffington Post is capable of publishing anything without spinning, and the Constitution grants nothing at all to individual citizens; it limits the power of the federal government.

Nevertheless, to suggest that not supporting a part of a bill equates to not voting for it is a leap. I wouldn't have voted for the CRA for exactly those reasons you list here, but then again I would suck as a politician.

Regarding the Huffington Post, while I acknowledge they have a perspective, in this case they simply reported Paul's views and statement on the subject. While I understand the strict interpretation of the Constitution that limits what the government can do, I'm not such a slave to it that I would use it as an excuse to allow discrimination. Every law that is passed reduces individual freedom in some manner. Paul said he was against discrimination, but if he feels that individual rights allows for it, he can't be that against it. You either believe that a philosophy is right or wrong.

 

[Kyle B]

Huffington Post makes me lol. They're worse than FOX.

 

[Minor Axis]

Huffington Post makes me lol. They're worse than FOX.

To each his own. HP does not make the shit up like Fox does. On Wed I ended up watching Fox for a bit and they were absolutely gleeful about Tea Party results. This is not the semblance of neutrality news sources are supposed to report.

 

[Alien Allen]

Minor the Tea Party did well

What did one expect ??

Them to run the table?

It is a start to some fiscal sanity

 

[Accountable]

This is something that aggravates me too. If the planned increase in a program is canceled, it is described as a cut.

Right, which makes it perfectly logical to plan in a little cushion into the increase so that they can brag about how much they "cut" without actually having to alter their plans.

To each his own. HP does not make the shit up like Fox does. On Wed I ended up watching Fox for a bit and they were absolutely gleeful about Tea Party results. This is not the semblance of neutrality news sources are supposed to report.

Most of the programs on Fox are opinion shows and are advertised as such, just like MSNBC. What were you watching?

 

[Minor Axis]

You don't really mean that, do you? I'm against devil-worship, anal sex, and certain rap music, but I don't think they should be made illegal. Surely you don't believe that anything you disagree with should be outlawed.

Such a leap and a huge assumption. Are you trying to go intellectual on me? BTW there are people out there who would outlaw everything they disagree with but that is not me. You've made such a poor comparison- anal sex to wholesale discrimination? Concerning social equality the items you mention don't even register.

 

[Accountable]

Such a leap and a huge assumption. Are you trying to go intellectual on me? BTW there are people out there who would outlaw everything they disagree with but that is not me. You've made such a poor comparison- anal sex to wholesale discrimination? Concerning social equality the items you mention don't even register.

Intellectuall?? Bite your toungue!
Outside government facilities, services, and safety, I don't think discrimination is any worse or immoral than anal sex. I just don't think it's a big deal if a private businessman wants to be so stupid as to refuse to take a willing patron's money.

 

[itsmeJonB]

it's still election day!?

 

[Minor Axis]

it's still election day!?

No that was last week.

 

[Kyle B]

No that was last week.

So wait, you're telling me that election day doesn't repeat itself for a week?

 

[itsmeJonB]

like groundhog's day?

 

[retro]

To each his own. HP does not make the shit up like Fox does. On Wed I ended up watching Fox for a bit and they were absolutely gleeful about Tea Party results. This is not the semblance of neutrality news sources are supposed to report.

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HP is every bit as bad as FoxNews, and MSNBC is worse than either one of them. Anyone remember Chris Mathews talking about a thrill going up his leg as Obama gave a speech? Or him yelling out on television "THAT WAS SO INSPIRING". Don't talk about the bias from Fox unless you're willing to talk about the bias that's every bit as bad, and probably even worse on the other end of the spectrum.

I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.

 

[retro]

Minor the Tea Party did well

What did one expect ??

Them to run the table?

It is a start to some fiscal sanity

:homo:

I just hope these candidates that won actually stick by what they campaigned on.

Oh, and a question for Nancy Pelosi: How does it feel to have been so thoroughly teabagged?

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