Israel kills aids flotilla crew

[Minor Axis]

It appears that many of the responses in this thread originate from the standpoint of do you like or dislike Israel. Do they have the right to board a ship in international water? That is possible if the ship is heading to a place where you've setup a blockade. But is the blockade legal? I don't know.

Despite chains and plates being swung and thrown at the soldiers, who was the first to use deadly force? If the soldiers felt they were walking into a lethal situation, as police frequently do, they are going to shoot eventually. But once they shot, then all bets were off. So while I can understand how the situation developed if it is portrayed accurately, you must still go back and question Israel's overall strategy in the region. Are they acting responsibly? Are their policies making things better or worse? Are they moving towards a peaceful solution? My impression is they are not. They have proven that tit for tat over 60 years is not going to solve anything. They must take some hits and show good will if they are ever going to make progress coexisting peacefully in the Middle East. Oh, and yes, they are not the only ones to blame...

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Please, please stop with the giant letters. It distracts from your message.

The concussion grenade was thrown from the Chopper... there's no denying that. There's also no denying the fact that the chopper was spraying the ship with water and shooting them with live and deadly ammo.

It's pretty obvious that in your world Israel is good and everything that they do is good. They couldn't possibly do anything bad because it would destroy your world view. Likewise, anyone that does something against Israel must be doing the wrong thing, because Israel is good, so those that support it are good. It's quite honestly a completely pathetic way of viewing the world.

There is no way from watching the video that you can tell where the flash grenade came from. It's possible it came from the chopper. At what point did the chopper start shooting with live ammo? Is there a reliable source for that?

 

[mhtal3at]

It appears that many of the responses in this thread originate from the standpoint of do you like or dislike Israel. Do they have the right to board a ship in international water? That is possible if the ship is heading to a place where you've setup a blockade. But is the blockade legal? I don't know.

Well, I don't think I had tendency against Israel, just the acts, but zero got me off my area.

Despite chains and plates being swung and thrown at the soldiers, who was the first to use deadly force? If the soldiers felt they were walking into a lethal situation, as police frequently do, they are going to shoot eventually. But once they shot, then all bets were off. So while I can understand how the situation developed if it is portrayed accurately, you must still go back and question Israel's overall strategy in the region. Are they acting responsibly? Are their policies making things better or worse? Are they moving towards a peaceful solution? My impression is they are not. They have proven that tit for tat over 60 years is not going to solve anything. They must take some hits and show good will if they are ever going to make progress coexisting peacefully in the Middle East. Oh, and yes, they are not the only ones to blame...

Tell that to zero


I started to like you(although in the debate section I have different opinion, but I give you much respect for your unbiased opinions) you only argue after you read about a topic.

Please, please stop with the giant letters. It distracts from your message.

ok, I'll try not to use them with you.

There is no way from watching the video that you can tell where the flash grenade came from. It's possible it came from the chopper. At what point did the chopper start shooting with live ammo? Is there a reliable source for that?

Ask mr zero glasses

 

[Alien Allen]

Well, if you have pussy soldiers, you can expect high pressured spraying.

Ah so that is it

The soldiers have big bladders and were pissing off the side of the helos

Wow that is something

You still can not explain how a helo can shoot high pressure water

 

[Minor Axis]

Well, if you have pussy soldiers, you can expect high pressured spraying.

I realize that tempers rise, but this kind of statement does not help your side of the discussion.

I started to like you(although in the debate section I have different opinion, but I give you much respect for your unbiased opinions) you only argue after you read about a topic.

Every one who knows me loves me. Just Ask Alien Allen!! Seriously though, I try to see both sides of an argument and I actually do admit to teencie bit of bias. Ask me about "W", that's a dead give a away, lol!
You and I probably don't see eye to eye on religion, but as long as the attitude is live and let live, I'm good with that.

 

[Alien Allen]

Of course I love you Minor

I do feel sad though for you given your liberal delusions

 

[retro]

You don't inspect things in International waters.
Find another excuse

You do when you're enforcing a blockade

 

[retro]

Well, I don't think I had tendency against Israel, just the acts, but zero got me off my area.

I see the sheep doesn't want to get off the line.
Just a few pages ago, I answered all these question.
Good luck with getting us off point
we were saying that Israel is the biggest terrorist.

Yup, there's no bias in that statement whatsoever.

ok, I'll try not to use them with you.

How about you not use them at all.

Ask mr zero glasses

Petty name calling doesn't particularly further your opinion any.

 

[mhtal3at]

Ah so that is it

The soldiers have big bladders and were pissing off the side of the helos

Wow that is something

You still can not explain how a helo can shoot high pressure water

It's the lowest form of discussion, but you still beat me at being low.

 

[mhtal3at]

I realize that tempers rise, but this kind of statement does not help your side of the discussion.

I was just saying that you're not biased, you're quoting me, and not quoting who started it?

Every one who knows me loves me. Just Ask Alien Allen!! Seriously though, I try to see both sides of an argument and I actually do admit to teencie bit of bias. Ask me about "W", that's a dead give a away, lol!
You and I probably don't see eye to eye on religion, but as long as the attitude is live and let live, I'm good with that.

LOL, I don't take impressions of people from other people, it's called impression, I have to take it from you to me.

Well, I am always tolerant with the thing if religions, but when you start describing of God as you did in The Story of Job, it really gets on my nerve, but you don't see me bombing the whole forumjk I swear)

 

[mhtal3at]

You do when you're enforcing a blockade

Not in International Waters, only when they come close, you gently check the ships.
but they went with guns, and grenades came along, and water pipes, then we have people killed, Israel lost it man, they could fake out lies, but now people have 30 different stories on behalf of Israeli officials only, which one is true?

 

[Alien Allen]

It's the lowest form of discussion, but you still beat me at being low.

You still have not told me about the engineering marvel that allows for a helo to spray high pressure from 300' in the air. Do they use invisible suction hose and pumps??

come on MH please give me the answer. I will split the patent fees with you on this one.

Not in International Waters, only when they come close, you gently check the ships.
but they went with guns, and grenades came along, and water pipes, then we have people killed, Israel lost it man, they could fake out lies, but now people have 30 different stories on behalf of Israeli officials only, which one is true?

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Good one. :thumbup

That made me laugh as much as Minor saying he is a middle of the roader

 

[mhtal3at]

You still have not told me about the engineering marvel that allows for a helo to spray high pressure from 300' in the air. Do they use invisible suction hose and pumps??

come on MH please give me the answer. I will split the patent fees with you on this one.



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Good one. :thumbup

That made me laugh as much as Minor saying he is a middle of the roader

You guys are really hilarious.

You tell me the secret, patent fees on me this time.

 

[Minor Axis]

I was just saying that you're not biased, you're quoting me, and not quoting who started it?

Well to be fair I should have looked at all of the replies. It is just that yours stood out. How about if I say in general, for everyone, sticking to the discussion and avoiding inflammatory comments is a good thing in an emotional discussion like this one.

LOL, I don't take impressions of people from other people, it's called impression, I have to take it from you to me.

Well, I am always tolerant with the thing if religions, but when you start describing of God as you did in The Story of Job, it really gets on my nerve, but you don't see me bombing the whole forumjk I swear)

As you know, I don't like the story of Job because of the lesson it portrays. I'd be happy to pick that discussion up with you in that thread. Hopefully we can discuss it civilly. Just don't tell me I'm going to Hell and we'll be good. But that is the problem isn't it, when a devote person debates a questioning person?

 

[retro]

Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

But I'm sure that's just something else that was made up, right?

 

[Alien Allen]

You guys are really hilarious.

You tell me the secret, patent fees on me this time.

You made the claim so you have to tell us about this engineering marvel.

Back it up or shut up as the saying goes

 

[mhtal3at]

Well to be fair I should have looked at all of the replies. It is just that yours stood out. How about if I say in general, for everyone, sticking to the discussion and avoiding inflammatory comments is a good thing in an emotional discussion like this one.

As you know, I don't like the story of Job because of the lesson it portrays. I'd be happy to pick that discussion up with you in that thread. Hopefully we can discuss it civilly. Just don't tell me I'm going to Hell and we'll be good. But that is the problem isn't it, when a devote person debates a questioning person?

I didn't start it is all I can say, you can check that. I am on topic, let's keep it straight!


It's not a problem to discuss, religions are not wicked, just that some people might be convinced when it comes to discussion that they are faithful. No problems either way.

 

[mhtal3at]

You made the claim so you have to tell us about this engineering marvel.

Back it up or shut up as the saying goes

For the sake of both of us, and peaceful Minor Axis, I'll ignore this.

 

[mhtal3at]

Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

But I'm sure that's just something else that was made up, right?

Wow, Auschwitz left a mark.
If you want, I have my version of this.

 

[retro]

Wow, Auschwitz left a mark.
If you want, I have my version of this.

Are you going to deny it or excuse it?

 

[mhtal3at]

Are you going to deny it or excuse it?

I told you my opinion, no need to repeat it, you seem repeatophilic, but there is no need to repeat it for the 11th time.
And I have an opinion totally different from yours, and we never been there, the footage is not clear, so let's ask someone who's been there!
I suggest you read this.
http://www.paltelegraph.com/palestine/west-bank/6274-sheikh-raed-salah-israel-wanted-me-dead
and let me see the objectivity Minor was talking about.