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There was more peace in the region with the dictators in charge.
Whats your point
SH was also a prick like your AQ buddies.
He used chemical weapons on thousands of his own poeple.
He gathered up random people and beat them for hours on end.
Cut tongues of people.
Threw people from buildings.
broke arms
Cut off fingers.
Acid drips.
Executions.
He wasnt always like that..but started to get out of hand and stayed that way.
But hey...I will give you some seed.
Why arent you asking..."why are we not attacking AQ over there if they are the enemy"
 
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Whats your point
SH was also a prick like your AQ buddies.
He used chemical weapons on thousands of his own poeple.
He gathered up random people and beat them for hours on end.
Cut tongues of people.
Threw people from buildings.
broke arms
Cut off fingers.
Acid drips.
Executions.
He wasnt always like that..but started to get out of hand and stayed that way.
But hey...I will give you some seed.
Why arent you asking..."why are we not attacking AQ over there if they are the enemy"

Nonsense...
 

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Whats your point
SH was also a prick like your AQ buddies.
He used chemical weapons on thousands of his own poeple.
He gathered up random people and beat them for hours on end.
Cut tongues of people.
Threw people from buildings.
broke arms
Cut off fingers.
Acid drips.
Executions.
He wasnt always like that..but started to get out of hand and stayed that way.
But hey...I will give you some seed.
Why arent you asking..."why are we not attacking AQ over there if they are the enemy"

You are an ass hole, much worse is happening elsewhere in the world but why would
you care if you don't find your vested interest there?

Enjoy reading this.....should be an eye opener for ignorant fools like you

Fix Iraq? Judge Bush
by Patrice Ayme
The war started by G.W. Bush in 2003 is still on-going. The quick gains of 11,000 Islamist warriors, routing a much larger “Iraqi” army is explained only by the support of the Sunni population and of many of those who made Iraq work, before Bush destroyed it.

That Jihadist army is an international body headed by Iraqis (of Al Qaeda obedience, in the past), financed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, sprinkled with some of Saddam Hussein’s generals and even some French (!) and Chechen. After the rout of Wednesday, Iran immediately rushed military “advisers” to the Shiite power in Baghdad. (Iran hated Saddam Hussein, and hates the Sunnis, all the more as the most sacred Shiite sites are south of Baghdad.)



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Our Leaders: Greedy Mass Murderers

The mistake the USA made was to dissolve the 700,000 strong Iraqi army and the Baathist, secular party that held Iraq as a civil society. That mistake was actually a crime, a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention outlaws the destruction of a state. That the state was deliberately dismantled by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld is beyond question: so thorough was the dismantlement of the state, that all-important Iraqi museums and archeological sites were left defenseless.

Thus Bush and his ilk attacked not just Iraq, but all of humanity, not just by the atrocious examples they gave, but by the destruction of humanity’s memory.

Bush used to repeat: ”Saddam Hussein killed his own people.” Right, during the Iraq-Iran war, a war the West perhaps instigated, and, certainly actively supported and collaborated with, 5,000 civilian Kurds got chemically assassinated. Hussein and “Chemical Ali” were judged for this, and executed.

However, the number of Iraqis killed, after Bush’s attack, and consecutive to it, is of the order of 500,000, or maybe much more. So:

Saddam: 5,000 killed. Hanged.

Bush: 500,000+ killed. Painting.

Blair: 500,000+ killed. Still an authority of the EU, asking for more bombing.

Now the old Baathist and old Iraqi army are counterattacking. And there is nothing the USA can do: the counter-offensive is mixed with the (Sunni) population, so aerial strikes are not an effective, nor moral, option.

All there is to do is watch. If one wants to help, maybe one could put Bush and his accomplices on trial for war crimes. That would impress the Iraqis. That would build some real clout. But will the USA have the guts?

Let me explain slowly: the respect of law comes only from the fact all men, and children, know early on, that all are the same as far as the law is concerned. The lower moral types, those obsessed by the market, those who claim all the time that anything can be fixed through buying and selling, those who claim we are living in a globalized world, those tiny critters who rule, have to be treated the way they advocate.

They have to understand, with their tiny minds, that the market is nothing without the government, and the government nothing without an army driven by morality.

If it’s a global market, then, it’s a global morality. That means, a global law.

It’s high time for the USA to judge its war criminals. As France judged her own. How difficult is it to write a warrant of arrest for a guy who, by his wanton, cruel, and vicious acts, brought the death of hundreds of thousands of people?

And don’t forget Blair the Liar. Unbelievably that murderous Bliar, a plutocrat with more than eight residences, and an enormous fortune made as a payment for his satanic activities, is the “European Peace Envoy to the Middle East”. He is of course advising to commit more murderous bombing in Iraq.

Blair said he could not be judged for his war crimes (whereas Desmond Tutu and many other prestigious personalities advised that he should be). His argument was that the United Nations allowed the attack in Iraq. That’s actually false. What’s true is that a vote authorizing the attack did not happen.

The French Republic told Bush that any attempt at the UN to allow for an attack would result in the exact opposite, namely an explicit interdiction of such an action, and that France had the votes in the Security Council.

So there was no authorization vote. The EU ought to be ashamed to use Blair in any function except as the main attraction in the International Criminal Court. Instead, Laurent Gbagbo, an Ivoirian president who allegedly used undemocratic means to stay in power too long, is going to be judged.

Gbagbo, in the worst possible case, was co-responsible of the deaths of few thousand people. Blair, at least half a million (Bush would not have gone to war without Blair).

Gbagbo versus Blair: now, that’s true racism. Blair is just white, a plutocrat connected to the highest leading circles, and a pseudo converted Catholic (Blair cynically used that religious calling to say that he won’t have done it without the Lord’s agreement; so, on top of everything, the creep is straight out of the Crusades!)

The British and USA government officials deliberately lied to the United Nations. That sort of manipulation, by itself, to justify a war of aggression, is a war crime (the legal precedent being Von Ribbentrop at Nuremberg). Von Ribbentrop was hanged, as deserved. But then why are Blair and Bush still free to run around?

France executed around 40,000 Nazi collaborators in the 1944-48 period. Including an ex-Prime Minister (Pierre Laval)... And some authentic World War One heroes. Sometimes, recovering one's honor, hope and human rights, let alone a Republican, Democratic Constitution, requires some work. And some courage. Can the USA step to the plate?

The Jihadist army is propelled by the prestige attached to fighting the bloody mass murdering tyrant Bachar Assad, scion of Assad. Thus the action of the USA and Britain, by not striking the monster last summer, contributed to the Jihadist cause.

Ladies and gentlemen interventionists, you want to help Iraqis? Show them what democracy is about. It starts with justice. You want to help Iraq? Judge and condemn those Westerners who threw it into murderous chaos. They are easier to arrest than Ben Laden. And they killed much more people. And they are a much graver case. They are to civilization what a tumor is to a brain. Shall I repeat their names, or you still don't get it?

Patrice Aymé
 

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You are an ass hole, much worse is happening elsewhere in the world but why would
you care if you don't find your vested interest there?
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I didn't see your reply to Man's question.
What was your point, again?
 

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The concept of free speech and expression in a democratic society gives anyone in our society the right to approve or disapprove of anything anywhere.

Tough shit for you :D


Wag your umbrella as much as you like but let it not touch my nose....
lest you wanna be fucked!
 

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the so called War on Terrorism concocted to destroy Iraq shows its real face here...this is what is counter productiveness of the War...

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These dramatic images show apparent mass execution of Iraqi soldiers by ISIS


BY ANUP KAPHLE June 15 at 11:16 AM
WARNING: Graphic images below.

Mideast_Iraq-0a56d.jpg

ISIS militants take aim at captured Iraqi soldiers in Tikrit. (Photos by Welayat Salahuddin via Associated Press)
On Sunday, militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) posted a set of gruesome images online that purported to show them executing dozens of men, apparently from the Iraqi army, in Salahuddin province, north of Baghdad.

As my colleagues Liz Sly and Abby Hauslohner reported, some of the photos showed men in civilian clothes lying with their face down, shoulder to shoulder and with their hands bound, in a ditch surrounded by yellow fields, as a row of masked fighters fired into the ditch. Photographs taken before the execution show the men said to be Iraqi soldiers lining up before they are piled onto pickup trucks and then led to an open field. A report in the New York Times says the group boasted on Twitter that it had killed as many as 1,700 soldiers, which, if true, would make Sunday's execution one of the worst atrocities in the region in the past few years.

According to the Associated Press, the images were posted on the jihadist Web site Welayat Salahuddin by ISIS and their authenticity was confirmed by Iraq's top military spokesman, Lt. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, who said he was aware of cases of mass murder of Iraqi soldiers.

See the images below:

Mideast_Iraq-023f4.jpg

ISIS fighters lead away captured Iraqi soldiers.
Mideast_Iraq-06d8f.jpg

ISIS militants watch over captured Iraqi soldiers, who appear to be piled onto the back of a truck.
Nic6338847.jpg

ISIS fighters stand next to dozens of captured Iraqi security forces members.
Mideast_Iraq-0eece.jpg

ISIS fighters capture Iraqi soldiers after taking over a base in Tikrit.
Mideast_Iraq-0168d.jpg

ISIS fighters lead captured Iraqi soldiers to an open field.
Nic6338851.jpg

Captured soldiers are lined up at an unknown location in Salahuddin province.
Nic6338857.jpg

An ISIS fighter appears to execute captured Iraqi troops in Salahuddin province.
Nic6338848.jpg

An ISIS fighter, holding a flag of the organization, fires at captured Iraqi soldiers.
You can read more of our continu
 

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Running for their lives....forgetting their ''mission'', ie fighting the War on Terrorism or War against Terrorists.

U.S. to Evacuate Many Staff Members From Baghdad Embassy
By TIM ARANGO and MICHAEL R. GORDONJUNE 15, 2014

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    ERBIL, Iraq — The American Embassy in Baghdad plans to evacuate a substantial number of its personnel this week in the face of a militant advance that rapidly swept from the north toward the capital, the State Department announced on Sunday.

    The embassy, a beige fortress on the banks of the Tigris River within the heavily secured Green Zone, where Iraqi government buildings are also located, has the largest staff of any United States Embassy.

    The exact number of people being evacuated was not clear Sunday. The embassy would remain open, a person familiar with the planning said, and much of its staff of about 5,500 would stay in Baghdad. The American government is expected to call the move a relocation, suggesting that it is a temporary precaution, the person said.

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    Many staff members who are leaving will be flown to Amman, Jordan, where they will continue their work at the embassy there. Others will be shifted from Baghdad to consulates here in Erbil, in the northern Kurdish region, and in Basra, in the south, which are not now under threat by the militants.

    Other Americans in Iraq, particularly contractors working for companies that had been training the Iraqi military on weapons systems purchased from the United States, have already been evacuated from the country.
 

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Running for their lives....forgetting their ''mission'', ie fighting the War on Terrorism or War against Terrorists.

U.S. to Evacuate Many Staff Members From Baghdad Embassy
By TIM ARANGO and MICHAEL R. GORDONJUNE 15, 2014

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    ERBIL, Iraq — The American Embassy in Baghdad plans to evacuate a substantial number of its personnel this week in the face of a militant advance that rapidly swept from the north toward the capital, the State Department announced on Sunday.

    The embassy, a beige fortress on the banks of the Tigris River within the heavily secured Green Zone, where Iraqi government buildings are also located, has the largest staff of any United States Embassy.

    The exact number of people being evacuated was not clear Sunday. The embassy would remain open, a person familiar with the planning said, and much of its staff of about 5,500 would stay in Baghdad. The American government is expected to call the move a relocation, suggesting that it is a temporary precaution, the person said.

    Continue reading the main story
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    • ps-photos-and-video-1402605847082-thumbStandard-v3.png
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      Militants Claim Mass Execution of Iraqi SoldiersJUNE 15, 2014
    • Bombings Kill Up to 21 People in BaghdadJUNE 15, 2014
    • 16PREXY-thumbStandard.jpg

      Republicans Press Obama to Move Swiftly to Halt Extremists’ Advances in IraqJUNE 15, 2014
    Many staff members who are leaving will be flown to Amman, Jordan, where they will continue their work at the embassy there. Others will be shifted from Baghdad to consulates here in Erbil, in the northern Kurdish region, and in Basra, in the south, which are not now under threat by the militants.

    Other Americans in Iraq, particularly contractors working for companies that had been training the Iraqi military on weapons systems purchased from the United States, have already been evacuated from the country.


Looks like your al Qaeda buddies aren't going to pursue democracy with their fellow Muslims as you claimed
 

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the so called War on Terrorism concocted to destroy Iraq shows its real face here...this is what is counter productiveness of the War...

The Washington Post

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These dramatic images show apparent mass execution of Iraqi soldiers by ISIS


BY ANUP KAPHLE June 15 at 11:16 AM
WARNING: Graphic images below.

Mideast_Iraq-0a56d.jpg

ISIS militants take aim at captured Iraqi soldiers in Tikrit. (Photos by Welayat Salahuddin via Associated Press)
On Sunday, militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) posted a set of gruesome images online that purported to show them executing dozens of men, apparently from the Iraqi army, in Salahuddin province, north of Baghdad.

As my colleagues Liz Sly and Abby Hauslohner reported, some of the photos showed men in civilian clothes lying with their face down, shoulder to shoulder and with their hands bound, in a ditch surrounded by yellow fields, as a row of masked fighters fired into the ditch. Photographs taken before the execution show the men said to be Iraqi soldiers lining up before they are piled onto pickup trucks and then led to an open field. A report in the New York Times says the group boasted on Twitter that it had killed as many as 1,700 soldiers, which, if true, would make Sunday's execution one of the worst atrocities in the region in the past few years.

According to the Associated Press, the images were posted on the jihadist Web site Welayat Salahuddin by ISIS and their authenticity was confirmed by Iraq's top military spokesman, Lt. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, who said he was aware of cases of mass murder of Iraqi soldiers.

See the images below:

Mideast_Iraq-023f4.jpg

ISIS fighters lead away captured Iraqi soldiers.
Mideast_Iraq-06d8f.jpg

ISIS militants watch over captured Iraqi soldiers, who appear to be piled onto the back of a truck.
Nic6338847.jpg

ISIS fighters stand next to dozens of captured Iraqi security forces members.
Mideast_Iraq-0eece.jpg

ISIS fighters capture Iraqi soldiers after taking over a base in Tikrit.
Mideast_Iraq-0168d.jpg

ISIS fighters lead captured Iraqi soldiers to an open field.
Nic6338851.jpg

Captured soldiers are lined up at an unknown location in Salahuddin province.
Nic6338857.jpg

An ISIS fighter appears to execute captured Iraqi troops in Salahuddin province.
Nic6338848.jpg

An ISIS fighter, holding a flag of the organization, fires at captured Iraqi soldiers.
You can read more of our continu


Those look like civilians being executed, moron.
 

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you are a habitual troll , so is stony crony...
I already said what you wrote was a repetitive shit not deserving reply or my time.
Talk sense and you get what you ask for, as simple as that.


mazHur, you've lied and distorted almost everything you've posted in this forum and others.
Just look at all the hate threads in this debate forum you've started.
I haven't started any about your culture. All I've done is reply to existing thread, your threads and 2 or 3 of Man's.

mazHur Butt......you lie a lot to cover up your degenerate culture.

It's not working.
 

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Fix Iraq? Judge Bush
by Patrice Ayme
The war started by G.W. Bush in 2003 is still on-going. The quick gains of 11,000 Islamist warriors, routing a much larger “Iraqi” army is explained only by the support of the Sunni population and of many of those who made Iraq work, before Bush destroyed it.

That Jihadist army is an international body headed by Iraqis (of Al Qaeda obedience, in the past), financed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, sprinkled with some of Saddam Hussein’s generals and even some French (!) and Chechen. After the rout of Wednesday, Iran immediately rushed military “advisers” to the Shiite power in Baghdad. (Iran hated Saddam Hussein, and hates the Sunnis, all the more as the most sacred Shiite sites are south of Baghdad.)



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Our Leaders: Greedy Mass Murderers

The mistake the USA made was to dissolve the 700,000 strong Iraqi army and the Baathist, secular party that held Iraq as a civil society. That mistake was actually a crime, a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention outlaws the destruction of a state. That the state was deliberately dismantled by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld is beyond question: so thorough was the dismantlement of the state, that all-important Iraqi museums and archeological sites were left defenseless.
 

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You are just upset that you can not speak freely about your culture with out damning it.
fuck my culture, you vulure. Accept you are with the rapists,,,
being in the topnotch rapist nations in the world
QED: yours is a rape culture and rape is worse than any other evil,,,even murder
 
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