Is War on Terror Counter-productive??

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Read your post again, You remarked about ALL Muslims or Pakistanis ( YOU WROTE YOU GUYS, DIDN'T YOU??))and that is a hate statement ..BE MINDFUL OF WHAT YOU WRITE DA MAAN!
Dont be an idiot maz...you guys mean you guys..if you want to turn that into a hate statement..you are going to have to provide a much better explanation.

You guys really need to do something about those terrorist Maz....Now maz...for me please..take out the words "you guys" for me and fill it in with whatever means "you guys"..so I can use it the future as to not offend your over sensitive PC ass..and no that wasn't meant to offend it is merely an accurate description and is no way a hate statement neither.
 
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haven't you noted that terrorism has grown since 9/11 and is still on the run?? how do you justify your position in that your war on terror hasn't been counter productive.??
Means we cant keep up with the growing terrorism..doesn't mean its counter productive.
Remember Maz..the war on terror began because it was already growing...so fast that something had to be done.
Bush said lets rock.....but maz this was not an overnight idea,,we had been gathering intelligence for years.
Why?...as it was growing...if terrorism was going away we wouldn't haven't bothered with the war on terror.
 

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Dont be an idiot maz...you guys mean you guys..if you want to turn that into a hate statement..you are going to have to provide a much better explanation.

You guys really need to do something about those terrorist Maz....Now maz...for me please..take out the words "you guys" for me and fill it in with whatever means "you guys"..so I can use it the future as to not offend your over sensitive PC ass..and no that wasn't meant to offend it is merely an accurate description and is no way a hate statement neither.


By puking out 'you guys' you did mean all Muslims and Pakistanis..and that is patently a hate statement. I will leave it for the others here to decide whether or not you had malicious intentions behind your words

We have nothing to do with the so called war on terror,,
other than to suffer its consequences...at your hands.
We do not support terrorists....you first train the people to terrorise your enemies then later term them as 'terrorists'...Hillary publicly admitted that...saying America first raised Mujahideens to fight its proxy war against USSR and when they drove away the Ruskies America went back on its whatever promises to them, ditching them altogether,,,thereby antagonizing them and when they stood up against you you began to call them as 'terrorists'

I asked you many times but you never responded to my questions viz Why are Muslims against America and vice versa?
What are the grievances of the people against America and what has America done to redress them> ? What has America gained by its war on terror except give impetus to it...?
Why don't you analyze the causes for terrorism and the correct remedies to exterminate it through some prudent means other than killing and killing and killing!!!
 

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Means we cant keep up with the growing terrorism..doesn't mean its counter productive.
Remember Maz..the war on terror began because it was already growing...so fast that something had to be done.
Bush said lets rock.....but maz this was not an overnight idea,,we had been gathering intelligence for years.
Why?...as it was growing...if terrorism was going away we wouldn't haven't bothered with the war on terror.

The question is WHY PEOPLE ARE AGAINST YOU AND NOBODY ELSE??
There surely seems some conflict of interests between YOU and the Terrorists....and you know it but don't want to tell.
 

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By puking out 'you guys' you did mean all Muslims and Pakistanis..and that is patently a hate statement. I will leave it for the others here to decide whether or not you had malicious intentions behind your words
It means exactly what I said.
You guys need to do something about it.
It would would the same as if you said "you guys in America need to do something about it" if we had expanding terrorism here.

We have nothing to do with the so called war on terror
You have stated prior that terrorism is expanding in your nation...perhaps if you guys got serious and joined the war on terror you could slow the progress.

We do not support terrorists
That is a lie
You provide govt provided reservations for them...that is support.

you first train the people to terrorise your enemies then later term them as 'terrorists
When they terrorize later maz they are terrorists.

saying America first raised Mujahideens to fight its proxy war against USSR and when they drove away the Ruskies America went back on its whatever promises to them, ditching them altogether
So?
We used them to aid us....doesnt change the fact that today they are terrorists..we didnt create them Maz


thereby antagonizing them and when they stood up against you you began to call them as 'terrorists'
What promises were not kept maz...and what would that give them the right to become terrorists.

I asked you many times but you never responded to my questions viz Why are Muslims against America and vice versa?

America is not against Muslims maz...we are against radical terrorist Muslims.

What are the grievances of the people against America and what has America done to redress them> ?
Who cares what their grievances are...they are terrorists Maz...they can live like the rest of the world and not terrorize..problem solved.

What has America gained by its war on terror except give impetus to it

Dead terrorists.


Why don't you analyze the causes for terrorism and the correct remedies to exterminate it through some prudent means other than killing and killing and killing!!!

Radical Islam terrorists maz want the world to live by their rules...which would be fine Maz...thing is maz they terrorize which has to be met with force.


The question is WHY PEOPLE ARE AGAINST YOU AND NOBODY ELSE??
There surely seems some conflict of interests between YOU and the Terrorists....and you know it but don't want to tell.
Bullshit...they terrorize whoever they want..your airport being the perfect example.
 

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It means exactly what I said.
You guys need to do something about it.
It would would the same as if you said "you guys in America need to do something about it" if we had expanding terrorism here.


You have stated prior that terrorism is expanding in your nation...perhaps if you guys got serious and joined the war on terror you could slow the progress.


That is a lie
You provide govt provided reservations for them...that is support.


When they terrorize later maz they are terrorists.


So?
We used them to aid us....doesnt change the fact that today they are terrorists..we didnt create them Maz



What promises were not kept maz...and what would that give them the right to become terrorists.



America is not against Muslims maz...we are against radical terrorist Muslims.


Who cares what their grievances are...they are terrorists Maz...they can live like the rest of the world and not terrorize..problem solved.



Dead terrorists.




Radical Islam terrorists maz want the world to live by their rules...which would be fine Maz...thing is maz they terrorize which has to be met with force.



Bullshit...they terrorize whoever they want..your airport being the perfect example.


yours are one sided and weak arguments , You don't mention YOUR failures and faults.
Hillary Clinton and many others have already confessed that you trained the terrorists to serve your motives and when they were served you ditched them. I think there is difference between Mujahideen, Freedom Fighters and Terrorists.
You try to put all of them in one category and here lies the problem with YOU.

Attack on Karachi airport was nothing novel,...we expect more attacks....even the Pk military head quarters have been attacked in the past. ...and you know why?
 

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yours are one sided and weak arguments , You don't mention YOUR failures and faults.
I only address your points...any failures on our part are just that.

Hillary Clinton and many others have already confessed that you trained the terrorists to serve your motives and when they were served you ditched them.
So?..already explained.
That was decades ago maz...they have now become terrorists maz.
To further maz..you have stated there are more than 100 terrorist organization in PK alone...we were only involved with one group and that was before they decided to become terrorists.
If you want to call us hypocrites go ahead.
Example...lets say we had some pit bulls that we used to run off some fox{Russians}....later those pit bulls started to go on killing missions in town{terrorize citizens}..does it make up hypocrites if we start capping the pitbulls..to you yes which is fine...doesnt change the fact they need to be dealt with.
To further you claim we created the terrorists{which we didnt} we only used them before they were terrorists...but going by your claim we did....Then we should be responsible for taking care of the problem{just like the pitbulls}

I think there is difference between Mujahideen, Freedom Fighters and Terrorists.
We are after terrorists maz.

Attack on Karachi airport was nothing novel,...we expect more attacks....even the Pk military head quarters have been attacked in the past. ...and you know why?
Because you have a nation that has govt sponsored terrorist reservations...They will attack you just like they attack us..they could care less if you are the host..they want to advance and grow through violence and manipulation the sooner you realize that the better off you are.
 

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I only address your points...any failures on our part are just that.


So?..already explained.
That was decades ago maz...they have now become terrorists maz.
To further maz..you have stated there are more than 100 terrorist organization in PK alone...we were only involved with one group and that was before they decided to become terrorists.
If you want to call us hypocrites go ahead.
Example...lets say we had some pit bulls that we used to run off some fox{Russians}....later those pit bulls started to go on killing missions in town{terrorize citizens}..does it make up hypocrites if we start capping the pitbulls..to you yes which is fine...doesnt change the fact they need to be dealt with.
To further you claim we created the terrorists{which we didnt} we only used them before they were terrorists...but going by your claim we did....Then we should be responsible for taking care of the problem{just like the pitbulls}


We are after terrorists maz.


Because you have a nation that has govt sponsored terrorist reservations...They will attack you just like they attack us..they could care less if you are the host..they want to advance and grow through violence and manipulation the sooner you realize that the better off you are.
again and again you drop in with bullshit...
your analogy to pitbulls is ridiculous...
It's you fault if you unleash them upon innocent people or just abandon them after they have won your battles and got are no more needed.

You cannot maintain a cove of snakes and let them loose in the town ..if you do that you would only be acting against humanity.

People have bitter feelings against America and surely those cannot be without reason...you are only oblivious of it or avoiding to speak up the truth to hide your hypocrisy and double standards/
 

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I only address your points...any failures on our part are just that.


So?..already explained.
That was decades ago maz...they have now become terrorists maz.
To further maz..you have stated there are more than 100 terrorist organization in PK alone...we were only involved with one group and that was before they decided to become terrorists.
If you want to call us hypocrites go ahead.
Example...lets say we had some pit bulls that we used to run off some fox{Russians}....later those pit bulls started to go on killing missions in town{terrorize citizens}..does it make up hypocrites if we start capping the pitbulls..to you yes which is fine...doesnt change the fact they need to be dealt with.
To further you claim we created the terrorists{which we didnt} we only used them before they were terrorists...but going by your claim we did....Then we should be responsible for taking care of the problem{just like the pitbulls}


We are after terrorists maz.


Because you have a nation that has govt sponsored terrorist reservations...They will attack you just like they attack us..they could care less if you are the host..they want to advance and grow through violence and manipulation the sooner you realize that the better off you are.


for you lives of people living in weaker countries doesn't matter as much as your own people...therefore you engage them, use them and then give them a new name and destroy them...
Poor people have not much to lose except their lives ,,,,but you are 'super humans' ...you need to protect yours and make your defences strong and stop being policeman of the world..
 

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again and again you drop in with bullshit...
your analogy to pitbulls is ridiculous...
It's you fault if you unleash them upon innocent people or just abandon them after they have won your battles and got are no more needed.

You cannot maintain a cove of snakes and let them loose in the town ..if you do that you would only be acting against humanity.

People have bitter feelings against America and surely those cannot be without reason...you are only oblivious of it or avoiding to speak up the truth to hide your hypocrisy and double standards/
The pitbull analogy is spot on.
Russia was in AFG.
PK went against Russia in Afg as they did not want them advancing into Pk
Your army and your group fighters "that later become terrorists" from the PK went into AFG..the US and SA and a little help from other nations as well funded that group.
After Russia left You Pk and your auxiliary fighting group become dicks and took control of afg..rather than give afg back to the people.
Scorched earth and massacres ensued in barbaric fashion until afg was under control of the Taliban and PK.
For thanks we the USA start getting terrorized...in a nutshell as we adopted Israel...and levered neutrality with Egypt..and last but not least levered Saudi Arabia to a future ally which pissed off many a muslims..we were no longer those free white dumb fucks that run out Russia for them...we were now sleeping with SA Egyot and Israel...Egypt not as much a big a deal.
So the muslims ask how the fuck do you white bastards 'friend' up with SA and Israel both..they took it as being smacked on both sides of the face..No only did we lever the mighty SA...we also tucked Israel under our wing...we are now some hated white jew loving pieces of shit bastards that is also sleeping with SA.

You know it maz as you live there..you can try to deny it all you wish..but I am up in age enough that I was around when all the events took place..I was impressioned by those events
 
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Yes, the war is counterproductive,,,,,

here.....



National Security
U.S. general killed in attack at Afghan military academy





A man dressed in an Afghan army uniform opened fire on foreign troops at a military base on Tuesday, killing at least one U.S. soldier and wounding 15, authorities said. (AP)
By Dan Lamothe and Pamela Constable August 5 at 5:00 PM
A man believed to be an Afghan soldier opened fire at an Afghan military academy in Kabul on Tuesday, killing a U.S. general and wounding up to 15 other personnel, including a German general and eight Americans, U.S. and coalition officials said.

The American general is the highest-ranking U.S. service member killed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, declined to provide the officer’s name Tuesday afternoon, but other officials identified him as Maj. Gen. Harold J. Greene, deputy commanding general of Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan in Kabul.

U.S. officials said five of the eight wounded Americans are in serious condition; a number of British soldiers were also wounded.

Greene previously served as the Army’s deputy for acquisition and systems management, a role in which he oversaw acquisition reform initiatives. He was commissioned as an engineer officer in 1980, after graduating from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.

The attack occurred about 12:23 p.m., according to an official at the German Embassy in Washington, who confirmed the wounding of a German brigadier general in the attack. The assailant was killed after the ambush, Kirby said. He would not say whether the shooter was killed by coalition troops or Afghans.

“It’s a terrible day. It’s a terrible tragedy,” said Kirby, adding that coalition officials have no reason to believe that the shooter was not a member of the Afghan National Security Forces.

The attack occurred at the Marshal Fahim National Defense University, the U.S.-led International Security Force (ISAF) coalition said. The facility, in the Qarga district of Kabul province and west of the city, was known as the Afghan National Defense University until earlier this year. It was renamed after the Afghan vice president and former military commander who died in March of an undisclosed illness.
 

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Looks like the afghans need an ass whipping...you will disagree however as you approve of all terrorist acts to date and argue for the protection of terrorists
 

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The pitbull analogy is spot on.
Russia was in AFG.
PK went against Russia in Afg as they did not want them advancing into Pk
Your army and your group fighters "that later become terrorists" from the PK went into AFG..the US and SA and a little help from other nations as well funded that group.
After Russia left You Pk and your auxiliary fighting group become dicks and took control of afg..rather than give afg back to the people.
Scorched earth and massacres ensued in barbaric fashion until afg was under control of the Taliban and PK.
For thanks we the USA start getting terrorized...in a nutshell as we adopted Israel...and levered neutrality with Egypt..and last but not least levered Saudi Arabia to a future ally which pissed off many a muslims..we were no longer those free white dumb fucks that run out Russia for them...we were now sleeping with SA Egyot and Israel...Egypt not as much a big a deal.
So the muslims ask how the fuck do you white bastards 'friend' up with SA and Israel both..they took it as being smacked on both sides of the face..No only did we lever the mighty SA...we also tucked Israel under our wing...we are now some hated white jew loving pieces of shit bastards that is also sleeping with SA.

You know it maz as you live there..you can try to deny it all you wish..but I am up in age enough that I was around when all the events took place..I was impressioned by those events


You had bad and sad memories which no one can help you get off.

Israel is a forcibly carved out land by super powers and their allies....including some rich and puppet Muslim countries who want to keep Muslims poor,weak and oppressed only to maintain and prolong their govts..
Crusades have been held for that land,,,,and it's not so easy to keep hold of that illegitimate piece of land which equally belongs to Christians, Jews and Muslims without unending battling and bloodshed

Might is right,,,,the values of Hitler have been adopted by Israel and its comrades,,,,that's bad for the entire world!
 

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Looks like the afghans need an ass whipping...you will disagree however as you approve of all terrorist acts to date and argue for the protection of terrorists


Go ahead,...13 years of Afghan whipping has already resulted in the above happening...try it out again!
Stop acting as the policeman of the world and all could be alright...
 

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You had bad and sad memories which no one can help you get off.

Israel is a forcibly carved out land by super powers and their allies....including some rich and puppet Muslim countries who want to keep Muslims poor,weak and oppressed only to maintain and prolong their govts..
Crusades have been held for that land,,,,and it's not so easy to keep hold of that illegitimate piece of land which equally belongs to Christians, Jews and Muslims without unending battling and bloodshed

Might is right,,,,the values of Hitler have been adopted by Israel and its comrades,,,,that's bad for the entire world!
I get it now the Muslims nations that state Israel belongs to Israel..are out to keep other Muslims poor and weak so they can prolong their own govt.
Also you say the land belongs to Jews Christians and Muslims...which is exactly what Israel is..but in the other thread you say the Jews need to go and that they are illegally occupying the land....You may want to watch what you stick in your crack pipe...appears to have caused a little brain damage.
 

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I get it now the Muslims nations that state Israel belongs to Israel..are out to keep other Muslims poor and weak so they can prolong their own govt.
Also you say the land belongs to Jews Christians and Muslims...which is exactly what Israel is..but in the other thread you say the Jews need to go and that they are illegally occupying the land....You may want to watch what you stick in your crack pipe...appears to have caused a little brain damage.


good that the other side of the conflict came to your decomp brain finally//

If that is what Israel wants then what was the need to create a separate land for the Jews?/ Why couldn't they live in Palestine alongwith Muslims and Christians?

No, you are not being honest...you got Palestine cut on religious basis...and that is against what America is believes (secularism and no to ethnic, linguistic ,sectarian or religious divide)....where have the 'high' western values vanished?
 

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good that the other side of the conflict came to your decomp brain finally//

If that is what Israel wants then what was the need to create a separate land for the Jews?/ Why couldn't they live in Palestine alongwith Muslims and Christians?

No, you are not being honest...you got Palestine cut on religious basis...and that is against what America is believes (secularism and no to ethnic, linguistic ,sectarian or religious divide)....where have the 'high' western values vanished?
Where is this land in Israel that is Jew only?
 
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