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Here is something i just came across...and the comments. Enjoy!

''The company that Israel keeps.
This survey published at Economist shows that Israel, is in the company of Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, China, Russia, as the country which has a negative influence on world opinions.
Poor Israel competing with Iran and Korea. Remember the axis of evil. My goodness!!!'''israel survey.jpg
 
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Perhaps that is the reason they dont allow you.....why would you want to go there anyway?...Oh to terrorize thats right.
Pakistan considers Israel and India as enemy countries. It restricts its citizens to visit these countries for safety reasons,,
Only you have to apply separately to obtain 'special' permission to visit these places showing good reason for your visit.
Simple!
 

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Its a good thing I researched this.
You fucking lie again....PK does not allow travel to Israel..its stamped on your passports
You claimed to have traveled the world..odd that you never noticed this on your passport{s} before

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Pakistan forbids its citizens from going to Israel and all Pakistani passports bear the inscription "This passport is valid for all countries of the World except Israel."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Pakistan_relations


Safety of its citizens is of prime importance to a country,...and Pakistan wouldn't normally allow its citizens to fall victim to an inimical land which is not even recognized by it!

That is common sense...and simple to understand!

People who visit India too have to get a 'special' visa to go there because India and Pakistan are arch enemies..but as far as Israel is concerned it is a non-entity for Pakistan who doesn't even like to recognize it for it being a case of illegal occupation and an enemy !
 

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Safety of its citizens is of prime importance to a country,...and Pakistan wouldn't normally allow its citizens to fall victim to an inimical land which is not even recognized by it!

That is common sense...and simple to understand!

People who visit India too have to get a 'special' visa to go there because India and Pakistan are arch enemies..but as far as Israel is concerned it is a non-entity for Pakistan who doesn't even like to recognize it for it being a case of illegal occupation and an enemy !
Lets see if I have this right...you have a thread stating you live in the most dangerous mega city in the world..Another stating how the Taliban thrive there..you have said there are more than 100 terrorists organizations in PK...And now Pk prevents you from going to a state that it does not recognize{Israel} {but does on its passport} for your own safety?
The only dangers in Israel are from people like you...who supplied pilots during the six day war while several Arab nations attacked Israel...reason being they are Jews....Go in and slaughter the Jews and take the property..Didnt work out however.
The reason you do not recognize Israel as a state is because there are alot of Jews there....There is so much hate for the Jew..The PK lists on its passport Israel as the only denied state...says nothing about India.
You can hate India all you wish as well......but IMO you people need to get your ass out of the fourteenth century and move on.
I respect all religions...but lets face it Islam needs to catch way up in the peace dept....to much hate to much terrorism
 

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Lets see if I have this right...you have a thread stating you live in the most dangerous mega city in the world..Another stating how the Taliban thrive there..you have said there are more than 100 terrorists organizations in PK...And now Pk prevents you from going to a state that it does not recognize{Israel} {but does on its passport} for your own safety?
The only dangers in Israel are from people like you...who supplied pilots during the six day war while several Arab nations attacked Israel...reason being they are Jews....Go in and slaughter the Jews and take the property..Didnt work out however.
The reason you do not recognize Israel as a state is because there are alot of Jews there....There is so much hate for the Jew..The PK lists on its passport Israel as the only denied state...says nothing about India.
You can hate India all you wish as well......but IMO you people need to get your ass out of the fourteenth century and move on.
I respect all religions...but lets face it Islam needs to catch way up in the peace dept....to much hate to much terrorism


Why can't you stick to the issue rather than gad here and there ,,you seem to have lost your sense of direction and you are just wavering without ref to the context...

India is not a small country neither is Pakistan. Both of them are nuclear powers and shun the day they used even the slightest of their weapons....

I was really shocked to read about the sad killing of your general in Afghanistan.....and the other one, among others, badly injured. Aren't 13 years of warring made to win hearts of Afghans?? Obviously not..you have made more enemies and now what Israel has done may add fuel to fire..

Pakistan doesn't recognize Israel as a country and has no diplomatic relations with it....I already gave the reason..you can construe them as you may but I have stated the facts and perhaps later on in the future others too may not like to have good relations with Israel because of its terrorist mindset.It defeats your commitment to end terrorism....by aiding terrorist Israel to butcher innocent unarmed men, women and children in Gaza mercilessly. No reason for the victim Palestinians not to pray to God for Hitler's blessing!! Quite natural, no?
 

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I respect all religions...but lets face it Islam needs to catch way up in the peace dept....to much hate to much terrorism

Islam has its own code of life not necessarily same as others. That's the case with all religions. If Islam worked well in the past there is No reason to suspect that it wouldn't in future if Muslims stick to it.

Re India,,,you comments are highly offensive and biased ...on the one hand you say you don't hate any religion and on the other you are hinting me to war and hate against India? What a shame!!
 

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Why can't you stick to the issue rather than gad here and there ,,you seem to have lost your sense of direction and you are just wavering without ref to the context...

India is not a small country neither is Pakistan. Both of them are nuclear powers and shun the day they used even the slightest of their weapons....

I was really shocked to read about the sad killing of your general in Afghanistan.....and the other one, among others, badly injured. Aren't 13 years of warring made to win hearts of Afghans?? Obviously not..you have made more enemies and now what Israel has done may add fuel to fire..

Pakistan doesn't recognize Israel as a country and has no diplomatic relations with it....I already gave the reason..you can construe them as you may but I have stated the facts and perhaps later on in the future others too may not like to have good relations with Israel because of its terrorist mindset.It defeats your commitment to end terrorism....by aiding terrorist Israel to butcher innocent unarmed men, women and children in Gaza mercilessly. No reason for the victim Palestinians not to pray to God for Hitler's blessing!! Quite natural, no?
It was you that bumped this thread and now you are merely upset as it back fired on you.
Now you want to drag India into it again...the fact remains that you claim that PK denied travel to Israel for the safety of its citizens.
The fact remain that Pk does not recognize Israel as a state but does on its passports......Childish.
The fact remains that PK was involved in the attacks the day after Israel became a state.
The fact remains they were attacked as it was a large percentage of Jews..as the Muslims were not attacked...has nothing to do with illegal occupation..there was no illegal occupation..if that was illegally occupied then the area known as Palestine now was also illegally occupied...You people will make any claim you can to try to justify your hate for Jews.
Ok so the Jews wouldn't convert to Islam and you slaughtered them centuries ago.....why dont you just leave em the fuck alone now.
Havent you done enough?...I get it they are Jews....drop the fucking hate..if there should be any hate,they should be the ones that carry it...as to this day you still want to kill them because they refused to convert to Islam...They did nothing to you other than refused to convert to Islam...they paid with their lives for that as well...fucking move on.
 
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Islam has its own code of life not necessarily same as others. That's the case with all religions. If Islam worked well in the past there is No reason to suspect that it wouldn't in future if Muslims stick to it.

Re India,,,you comments are highly offensive and biased ...on the one hand you say you don't hate any religion and on the other you are hinting me to war and hate against India? What a shame!!
UHHHH..Islam does not work well...almost the entire Middle East is unstable..PK unstable as well...religious convictions surpass the ability of Govt controls..existing Govts also always trying to be taken over by Islamic groups...sorry we dont need to go back to the 14th century where we kill women in the street and slay those that refuse to convert.
I am not saying other systems are perfect either..I am saying that Islamic rule is far worse though...The only two nations{Islamic} that have proper control are Iran and SA..but they are not without problems as well.
SA teaches hate....but punishment is handed out by the Govt and not every tom dick and hairy.
As much as I hate to say it...Iran has hope,bridges need to be mended though.
 

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It was you that bumped this thread and now you are merely upset as it back fired on you.
Now you want to drag India into it again...the fact remains that you claim that PK denied travel to Israel for the safety of its citizens.
The fact remain that Pk does not recognize Israel as a state but does on its passports......Childish.
The fact remains that PK was involved in the attacks the day after Israel became a state.
The fact remains they were attacked as it was a large percentage of Jews..as the Muslims were not attacked...has nothing to do with illegal occupation..there was no illegal occupation..if that was illegally occupied then the area known as Palestine now was also illegally occupied...You people will make any claim you can to try to justify your hate for Jews.
Ok so the Jews wouldn't convert to Islam and you slaughtered them centuries ago.....why dont you just leave em the fuck alone now.
Havent you done enough?...I get it they are Jews....drop the fucking hate..if there should be any hate,they should be the ones that carry it...as to this day you still want to kill them because they refused to convert to Islam...They did nothing to you other than refused to convert to Islam...they paid with their lives for that as well...fucking move on.


Muslims too can say the same thing about Jews....

Israel was force created by the US and its allies upon the beggary of Jews for some land which they could call there own...otherwise that whole area was known as Palestine!
Oh, yes, in a war, Muslims and all would kill their enemies but not what Israel did...
we don't kill unarmed innocent children and women in UN or Red cross protected shelters of schools and hospitals but Jews do and their acts have been condemned by one and all...even Obama condemned it. You ought to be ashamed of defending Israel the terrorist ,,,it has proven to be.
 

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UHHHH..Islam does not work well...almost the entire Middle East is unstable..PK unstable as well...religious convictions surpass the ability of Govt controls..existing Govts also always trying to be taken over by Islamic groups...sorry we dont need to go back to the 14th century where we kill women in the street and slay those that refuse to convert.
I am not saying other systems are perfect either..I am saying that Islamic rule is far worse though...The only two nations{Islamic} that have proper control are Iran and SA..but they are not without problems as well.
SA teaches hate....but punishment is handed out by the Govt and not every tom dick and hairy.
As much as I hate to say it...Iran has hope,bridges need to be mended though.


and you are taking advantage of the disunity among Muslims, right?
Keep smiling but fear the day when Israel leads the whole world into destruction.

IF, as you say, Islam got spread by force then why are there more than billion of its adherent in all parts of the world?? Without doubt therre must be some good reason for Islam to be so popular all over the world ; America being the place where it is spreading the most. No, no, no,,,,,Islam like any religion would not spread by force...
Only Jews can employ their economic force to control big powers....
You are exploiters ....and haters of both christians and Muslims....
You wanna conquer the world!! Get going and do it!!
your days of Manna are long past...
 

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Muslims too can say the same thing about Jews....

Israel was force created by the US and its allies upon the beggary of Jews for some land which they could call there own...otherwise that whole area was known as Palestine!
Oh, yes, in a war, Muslims and all would kill their enemies but not what Israel did...
we don't kill unarmed innocent children and women in UN or Red cross protected shelters of schools and hospitals but Jews do and their acts have been condemned by one and all...even Obama condemned it. You ought to be ashamed of defending Israel the terrorist ,,,it has proven to be.
US had nothing to with with the formation of Israel...Fact is the Muslims wanted a divide,,,then when drawn up they wanted it all.
It boils down to it was time to rid the Jews..What upset the arabs as much as anything was a large percentage of Muslims created areas in the Jewish areas..to get away from the Muslim violence.
In reality the Jews were given nothing...they actually lost what is known now as Palestine...None the less the land could be divided up anyway by those that had control of it at the time..which wasnt the Jews nor the Arabs..They simply washed their hands of the mess and lets the jews have the tiny area they have leaving them to their own defenses...and sure enough it only took one day for several arab nations to attack them Israel whipped their asses in 6 days...Fucking let em have it, it was given to them by those in proper control ...in addition they defended it as well...If everyone would just leave them alone it would be a great place..I have met a few from Israel here in the states...liked everyone of em...To be honest I dont know what prevents them from hating your guys guts..I would as they have a constant loom over their head as they are surrounded by Jew haters...You guys cause extra security etc..just like 911 has caused here..Israel suffers the same but on a much larger scale as they dont have a choice..if security wasnt what it was...Israel would be wiped from the earth in short order..All they want is to live in peace..the actual paradise of the earth based on love..sounds corny yes..but the theology is based on caring for one another...not a bad gig...Hell if they wasnt under constant threat..I would like to be there myself....many do not go there as it is very tiny and in constant danger...If people would leave them alone..they could once again be who they were..which caused people to flock over there..everybody was welcome....and for the most part still are....As it is now its a tormented Paradise tormented by Islamic violence.
They have just as much right to call their religion correct as Islam does...I worship neither one but respect them both..but when one wants to slaughter the other..sorry I have to support the Jews..I would defend Islam as well if the jews were going to slaughter them for not converting.
 

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and you are taking advantage of the disunity among Muslims, right?
Keep smiling but fear the day when Israel leads the whole world into destruction.

IF, as you say, Islam got spread by force then why are there more than billion of its adherent in all parts of the world?? Without doubt therre must be some good reason for Islam to be so popular all over the world ; America being the place where it is spreading the most. No, no, no,,,,,Islam like any religion would not spread by force...
Only Jews can employ their economic force to control big powers....
You are exploiters ....and haters of both christians and Muslims....
You wanna conquer the world!! Get going and do it!!
your days of Manna are long past...
Yes Islam is mainly spread by force and non acceptance of other religions..its a well known fact..Most Muslims here have migrated here or converted while in prison as they get special treatment..To be honest only an idiot would walk through a large Muslim neighborhood here unless he is a Muslim....people avoid them due to safety reasons.
 

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Re India,,,you comments are highly offensive and biased ...on the one hand you say you don't hate any religion and on the other you are hinting me to war and hate against India? What a shame!!
How so...why dont you try leaving India alone?...Its just another hell hole such as your own..think you all would get along ?
Why does PK have to have so many enemies?
 

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How so...why dont you try leaving India alone?...Its just another hell hole such as your own..think you all would get along ?
Why does PK have to have so many enemies?

Why do the Jews have so many enemies??
Why is the US so unpopular among so many people?
 

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Yes Islam is mainly spread by force and non acceptance of other religions..its a well known fact..Most Muslims here have migrated here or converted while in prison as they get special treatment..To be honest only an idiot would walk through a large Muslim neighborhood here unless he is a Muslim....people avoid them due to safety reasons.


you made me laugh with your childish blurp, coward!

As you say Islam got spread by force and people had to move out here and there,,,,why don't they get back to their own preferred religion then? They are free 'here and there'..okay...then want holds them back from not denouncing Islam?

You are just puking like a big idiot....
No harm will be be done to you if you gadded in a muslim majority land,....nothing happened you in the past....did you ever ponder over the reason why?
Why are you so hated by the Muslims all over the world? Why did Hitler hate you so much? Why the west and the cowardly muslim countries pamper you so much??
Ever thought why?
No, you are a dead head...and won't see any other direction but only the one leading to your own crotch! Keep wanking!
 

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US had nothing to with with the formation of Israel...Fact is the Muslims wanted a divide,,,then when drawn up they wanted it all.
It boils down to it was time to rid the Jews..What upset the arabs as much as anything was a large percentage of Muslims created areas in the Jewish areas..to get away from the Muslim violence.
In reality the Jews were given nothing...they actually lost what is known now as Palestine...None the less the land could be divided up anyway by those that had control of it at the time..which wasnt the Jews nor the Arabs..They simply washed their hands of the mess and lets the jews have the tiny area they have leaving them to their own defenses...and sure enough it only took one day for several arab nations to attack them Israel whipped their asses in 6 days...Fucking let em have it, it was given to them by those in proper control ...in addition they defended it as well...If everyone would just leave them alone it would be a great place..I have met a few from Israel here in the states...liked everyone of em...To be honest I dont know what prevents them from hating your guys guts..I would as they have a constant loom over their head as they are surrounded by Jew haters...You guys cause extra security etc..just like 911 has caused here..Israel suffers the same but on a much larger scale as they dont have a choice..if security wasnt what it was...Israel would be wiped from the earth in short order..All they want is to live in peace..the actual paradise of the earth based on love..sounds corny yes..but the theology is based on caring for one another...not a bad gig...Hell if they wasnt under constant threat..I would like to be there myself....many do not go there as it is very tiny and in constant danger...If people would leave them alone..they could once again be who they were..which caused people to flock over there..everybody was welcome....and for the most part still are....As it is now its a tormented Paradise tormented by Islamic violence.
They have just as much right to call their religion correct as Islam does...I worship neither one but respect them both..but when one wants to slaughter the other..sorry I have to support the Jews..I would defend Islam as well if the jews were going to slaughter them for not converting.


Here you get a SLAP on your face and a KICK on your ass!
This concludes the debate....no more farting from you, ugly israel attenburg.png dirty man!
 

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Yes Islam is mainly spread by force and non acceptance of other religions..its a well known fact..Most Muslims here have migrated here or converted while in prison as they get special treatment..To be honest only an idiot would walk through a large Muslim neighborhood here unless he is a Muslim....people avoid them due to safety reasons.
Hamas will dig out from under the rubble and the world will remember the image of four boys killed on a beach.FP's David Rothkopf: "...If Israel's goal was to delegitimize Hamas, whatever it achieved during these last three weeks came at the expense of its own reputation. No matter how many articulate, pommy-accented spokespeople Israel rolls out to discuss human shields, they are trumped by the images of dead and wounded women and children, the stories of displaced families, the ground truth of an advanced, technologically sophisticated, militarily powerful nation laying waste to a land it occupies in order to root out a small cadre of fighters who pose little strategic threat to it.


"In short, Israel was waging a military action against an adversary that was waging a political campaign and thus adopted the wrong tactics and measured their progress by the wrong metrics. In fact, there is no denying that the Israeli tactics (it seems very unlikely there was any real strategizing going on) in this war do not pass the most basic tests available by which to assess them, those of morality, proportionality, and effectiveness." More here.
 

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you made me laugh with your childish blurp, coward!

As you say Islam got spread by force and people had to move out here and there,,,,why don't they get back to their own preferred religion then? They are free 'here and there'..okay...then want holds them back from not denouncing Islam?

You are just puking like a big idiot....
No harm will be be done to you if you gadded in a muslim majority land,....nothing happened you in the past....did you ever ponder over the reason why?
Why are you so hated by the Muslims all over the world? Why did Hitler hate you so much? Why the west and the cowardly muslim countries pamper you so much??
Ever thought why?
No, you are a dead head...and won't see any other direction but only the one leading to your own crotch! Keep wanking!
Death for Apostasy exists in may nations you are a fucking liar..also death in many for blasphemy.
Some dont allow any other religions except Islam as well....In the ones that do..you suffer from kidnappings or execution merely because you are not a Muslim...this exists today as it did in the past.
Additionally islam was spread by warring and intimidation...either convert or be slaughtered....at one time it may have been peaceful yes...but that ended when the remaining religions left refused to convert.
Take the poor Christian woman in PK who drank from the wrong cup..and given the death sentence...the couple that got caught texting that said they though Islam was silly and didnt understand it..also given death.
This is in PK...which is actually one of the moderate Muslim nations
Everything you post is a lie as an effort to protect your religion...this has been going on for months.
You are the perfect example of................why.................
 

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Hamas will dig out from under the rubble and the world will remember the image of four boys killed on a beach.FP's David Rothkopf: "...If Israel's goal was to delegitimize Hamas, whatever it achieved during these last three weeks came at the expense of its own reputation. No matter how many articulate, pommy-accented spokespeople Israel rolls out to discuss human shields, they are trumped by the images of dead and wounded women and children, the stories of displaced families, the ground truth of an advanced, technologically sophisticated, militarily powerful nation laying waste to a land it occupies in order to root out a small cadre of fighters who pose little strategic threat to it.


"In short, Israel was waging a military action against an adversary that was waging a political campaign and thus adopted the wrong tactics and measured their progress by the wrong metrics. In fact, there is no denying that the Israeli tactics (it seems very unlikely there was any real strategizing going on) in this war do not pass the most basic tests available by which to assess them, those of morality, proportionality, and effectiveness." More here.
Sounds like they need to be destroyed maz...hamas is a well known terrorist organization whose goal is to eradicate jews from the earth....you support that as you are a jew hater.
 
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