Is piracy stealing?
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BadBoy@TheWheel
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I pay for my downloads from a legit site. I pay a monthly fee. Music is copyrighted for a reason, artists deserve to get compensated for their work.
How about a few of y'all go a week without pay....Why not? Make your company a pirate for a week, or month then come back and let me know how it worked for you.
How about a few of y'all go a week without pay....Why not? Make your company a pirate for a week, or month then come back and let me know how it worked for you.
Im with Evan, Its people that take things for free that make the rest of us suffer...you do know thats why costs rise so much? ...You are only forcing manufacturers to raise there prices...which then cycles into extortionate prices...which will eventually kill off the music/film empire....
Don't you guys know that musicians make most of their money through ticket sales and merchandising sales?
Also should people be making millions of dollars SINGING? I mean everybody sings, yes some better than others, but still its SINGING?
Jay-Z a multi-millionaire.
Mrs. Saracco, my junior English teacher, who I know loved her job, and she did an amazing job teaching us, probably 30,000-35,000 dollars a year.
Also should people be making millions of dollars SINGING? I mean everybody sings, yes some better than others, but still its SINGING?
Jay-Z a multi-millionaire.
Mrs. Saracco, my junior English teacher, who I know loved her job, and she did an amazing job teaching us, probably 30,000-35,000 dollars a year.
BadBoy@TheWheel
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So......Let me get this straight....Consumers buy the goods, that's how they make the money so really it's not the artists fault they make the money they make. And you can't tell me that they don't make an awful lot of money selling CD's, as a matter of fact it was stated last night that CD sales across the board have slumped due to downloading music both legally and illegally.
Stealing is stealing, it doesn't matter if you're stealing from the rich or poor.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
I think you will find that while selling the CD's makes them money the bigger money is in having written the songs.
BadBoy@TheWheel
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To me it doesn't matter though. They have rights to make money from the music they create. If you take it without them getting compensated in some way, it's stealing.
I mean to me it's pretty black and white. You could say that my company is a fortune 500 multi billion dollar diversified oil company, and we don't deserve to make revenues off what we develop.
Steal a document with protected/copyritghted information on it and see how fast you learn about copyright laws:24:
The court system doesn't take into consideration how much you make, or how you make it, just that you are within your rights to recieve compensation for your copyright
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
To me it doesn't matter though. They have rights to make money from the music they create. If you take it without them getting compensated in some way, it's stealing.
I mean to me it's pretty black and white. You could say that my company is a fortune 500 multi billion dollar diversified oil company, and we don't deserve to make revenues off what we develop.
Steal a document with protected/copyritghted information on it and see how fast you learn about copyright laws:24:
The court system doesn't take into consideration how much you make, or how you make it, just that you are within your rights to recieve compensation for your copyright
Does not matter to me either. It is stealing. I downloaded some stuff a few years ago but only a handful of songs. When the feds started going after people I said it was not worth it.
My point was just that I believe the big money is in the writing.
BadBoy@TheWheel
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bass_man1989
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Reel Big Fish are an act that a large majority of listeners discovered through peer-to-peer, file sharing programs. How does that make you feel, and what are your personal feelings towards downloading music?
That's awesome! I think downloading has helped this band get as big as it has, especially in the United Kingdom, where we didn't have any albums available until 2002. I also think downloading has kept this band going as long as it has.
Why I love Reel Big Fish.
That's awesome! I think downloading has helped this band get as big as it has, especially in the United Kingdom, where we didn't have any albums available until 2002. I also think downloading has kept this band going as long as it has.
Why I love Reel Big Fish.
But your friend no longer has the CD if you bought it from him. If you download or copy music from your friend, then you both still have the music, but only one has paid for it.
The whole world couldn't share 1 physical CD, but the whole world could share 1 copy of the music by duplicating it digitally as many times as anyone wants. When that happens, musicians do not make as much money, and will stop producing as much music. And not all musicians are millionaires - in fact, the vast majority can barely afford to keep music as their profession. But nevermind them, just keep screwing them over by downloading music illegally.
Some people like the idea, and some people do not. But it should be up to the musicians, NOT THE CONSUMER. If Reel Big Fish wants to give listeners the opportunity to download their music for free, that's fine, and all power to them! The problem is when consumers take it into their own hands, and choose to download the music without paying for it regardless of the wish of the copyright holder.
bass_man1989
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That's where I think a lot of musicians get greedy though. If you spend your whole career bitching that people aren't giving you enough money then you've obviously forgot why you've gotten into music.
I question anyone who says that piracy isn't stealing's sanity. Have I downloaded something illegally before? Umm.... maybe, but I ended up buying the book when it got back into stock at Wal Mart. >.> (And after I got the physical copy of the book, I did delete the copy off my computer, although that was still wrong despite the fact I ended up buying the book at the end.)
Lots of people are greedy - not just musicians. It's what drives the economy, and it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.
By your logic, I could be called greedy for owning a large farm and, even though I already make enough to live on, complaining that people keep stealing my cobs from the corn stand every night when I'm away. IT'S THE SAME THING.
when we go to concerts or the movies the actors should get some of that 6.00 they sell for a small popcorn or some of the 4.50 for a bottle of WATER for christs sake. 4.00 for a small coke, 5.00 for a box a candy. 4.00 for a microwavable soft pretzle.4.00 hotdog. yeah i know. the price of convience.
but what about library's
you can check out a book for free. thus taking away money out of the writer and publishers pocket. and yes they have new books there that you can still buy at the store. thats still wrong then. but that is under the first sale doctrine. if we lose that then well you know
what about blockbuster
i remember nintendo took blockbuster to court for "loss of first sale"
how about gamestop. if you go in there to buy a used game thats say 5.00 less then the new version of it. thats one less sale of a new game. i doubt they get any royalties out of a place like gamestop or a flea market that sells used games. 60.00 for a new xbox360 game is freaking rediculous. give me a break.
i bet everyone steals from thses peoples pocket. whether you buy something used when you could buy brand new if new is available.
whether your buying used or downloading off the internet. your still stealing i gues you can say. cause your stealing out of these peoples pockets.
but what about library's
you can check out a book for free. thus taking away money out of the writer and publishers pocket. and yes they have new books there that you can still buy at the store. thats still wrong then. but that is under the first sale doctrine. if we lose that then well you know
what about blockbuster
i remember nintendo took blockbuster to court for "loss of first sale"
how about gamestop. if you go in there to buy a used game thats say 5.00 less then the new version of it. thats one less sale of a new game. i doubt they get any royalties out of a place like gamestop or a flea market that sells used games. 60.00 for a new xbox360 game is freaking rediculous. give me a break.
i bet everyone steals from thses peoples pocket. whether you buy something used when you could buy brand new if new is available.
whether your buying used or downloading off the internet. your still stealing i gues you can say. cause your stealing out of these peoples pockets.
I'll say it once more - buying used or renting or borrowing or whatever else is NOT the same as making a copy! If you can't understand that, well, I'm done debating with you.
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