Is Obama a muslim?

[The Man]

I think I'll take the stance that through history, man in general has been one pretty damn violent creature.
And this includes those that have alluded to being Christian, also.
From the Christians of the Crusades to the atheists of Communism to the Islamicists of today to just about every organized large and sometimes even small societies have shown incredible cruelty.....some merely more than others at different times through out history.

Mankind has probably demonstrated cruelty of some degree from about every point in the religious/political spectrum.

What I care about in a President is that he views the welfare of our nation above any of his own self interests and that includes his personal religion.

I don't like the politician, Obama, but in regards to this thread, the issue should be.... do his religious beliefs negatively affect our nation.
That I haven't seen.

I think I'll take the stance that through history, man in general has been one pretty damn violent creature.
And this includes those that have alluded to being Christian, also.

I agree fully...early history was filled with wars based on religion...there were no innocent religions those that did not fight perished to small numbers through escapement.

From the Christians of the Crusades to the atheists of Communism to the Islamicists of today to just about every organized large and sometimes even small societies have shown incredible cruelty.....some merely more than others at different times through out history.

Agreed..It is my belief that we are reaching a critical time {within the next few decades} that hate has to be eliminated or we will find larges groups of cultures that will die as war is much more advanced than it was...massive numbers of people can die through germ warfare or nukes being deployed.

What I care about in a President is that he views the welfare of our nation above any of his own self interests and that includes his personal religion.

I don't like the politician, Obama, but in regards to this thread, the issue should be.... do his religious beliefs negatively affect our nation.
That I haven't seen

I have to agree..but I do have concerns of his loyalty based upon the his church membership that openly stated we deserved 911 and gad damn America.
While not Muslim based...it is not mainstream religious practice to openly operate in such a fashion.
Certainly unfitting for a president IMO

 

[The Man]

You don't have any proof for what you say, and yet I'm the one who can't debate? :24:

Well it would be rather difficult to find just that link which rebuts your list now wouldnt it.
However here is an article that shows what Christians for example face if they end up in these countries.
Note that 8 out of these 10 are Islamic and one is atheist


http://listverse.com/2011/11/24/top-10-most-dangerous-countries-for-christians/

 

[Sneakiecat]

How is that a response in relate to?



The discussion is how crime rates are reported..not proposed peace treaties between religions

Sorry, slightly misunderstood your point (it's hard to see it with all the hate you spew). And I don't think I ever proposed a peace treaty between the two because I don't think there needs to be one. One bad apple can spoil the bunch and one group of terrorist can spoil an entire religion.

 

[The Man]

Sorry, slightly misunderstood your point (it's hard to see it with all the hate you spew). And I don't think I ever proposed a peace treaty between the two because I don't think there needs to be one. One bad apple can spoil the bunch and one group of terrorist can spoil an entire religion.

Wow...you dont think there needs to be a peace treaty.

There should be no war,,nor should there be the daily acts of terrorism.

We are a modern world and should act as such...The world wars are over...alot of progress has been made..we do not need repeats of the past especially due to religion which has a worse outcome than political wars

 

[Sneakiecat]

Wow...you dont think there needs to be a peace treaty.

There should be no war,,nor should there be the daily acts of terrorism.

We are a modern world and should act as such...The world wars are over...alot of progress has been made..we do not need repeats of the past especially due to religion which has a worse outcome than political wars

I agree there should be no war. But I don't think it's between Islam and Christianity or Islam and everybody else. I think think it's between a few crazies and the rest of the world.

 

[Stone]

I agree there should be no war. But I don't think it's between Islam and Christianity or Islam and everybody else. I think think it's between a few crazies and the rest of the world.

I think think it's between a few crazies and the rest of the world

Before 911, I would agree......but I think the world has polarized quite a bit since and with it reactions from both the 911 terrorist attack and Bush destabilizing the Middle East with the invasion of Iraq.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Before 911, I would agree......but I think the world has polarized quite a bit since and with it reactions from both the 911 terrorist attack and Bush destabilizing the Middle East with the invasion of Iraq.

I think that the activities that have happen since 9/11 may have swayed some people who were on the fence about the U.S. or anybody else for that matter. But still don't think it's fair to lump all Muslims in with the terrorists. Sure, they may not be happy with how it was handle (and I think very few people are, regardless of their religion) but they are certainly not wishing death upon us.

 

[Stone]

I agree fully...early history was filled with wars based on religion...there were no innocent religions those that did not fight perished to small numbers through escapement.


Agreed..It is my belief that we are reaching a critical time {within the next few decades} that hate has to be eliminated or we will find larges groups of cultures that will die as war is much more advanced than it was...massive numbers of people can die through germ warfare or nukes being deployed.


I have to agree..but I do have concerns of his loyalty based upon the his church membership that openly stated we deserved 911 and gad damn America.
While not Muslim based...it is not mainstream religious practice to openly operate in such a fashion.
Certainly unfitting for a president IMO

Certainly unfitting for a president IMO

Well......the same could hold true for Romney, the current Republican front runner.
The history of Mormons has some incredible violence that's been not only approved by the LDS......been officially promoted, too.
And, imo, anyone that could believe in the concept of the Angel Moroni handing off scripture made of gold to be worshiped and yet never seen.....to a young man to act as THE spiritual leader....that had previously been involved in fraud, is almost as incredible as believing man can rise to the position of God ( yep...LDS philosophy ) for every planet that exists is not only incredible, wait till someone like the Democratic Underground gets a hold of it, if they haven't already.

So, I'm not too wild about a Mormon in the Whitehouse.
More of a sanity issue, though

 

[Stone]

I think that the activities that have happen since 9/11 may have swayed some people who were on the fence about the U.S. or anybody else for that matter. But still don't think it's fair to lump all Muslims in with the terrorists. Sure, they may not be happy with how it was handle (and I think very few people are, regardless of their religion) but they are certainly not wishing death upon us.

But still don't think it's fair to lump all Muslims in with the terrorists.

Agreed.
Nor fair to lump all Christians in with the radical 'Christian' fundamentalists that call for retribution, either.

But polarization is a destructive attribute that enhances the destructiveness of both elements.
It becomes the resistance to 'reason'.

 

[The Man]

Well......the same could hold true for Romney, the current Republican front runner.
The history of Mormons has some incredible violence that's been not only approved by the LDS......been officially promoted, too.
And, imo, anyone that could believe in the concept of the Angel Moroni handing off scripture made of gold to be worshiped and yet never seen.....to a young man to act as THE spiritual leader....that had previously been involved in fraud, is almost as incredible as believing man can rise to the position of God ( yep...LDS philosophy ) for every planet that exists is not only incredible, wait till someone like the Democratic Underground gets a hold of it, if they haven't already.

So, I'm not too wild about a Mormon in the Whitehouse.
More of a sanity issue, though

Election winning always comes down to presentation rather than an factual reason for vote placement.
Shines ones own butt with the very tarnish scraped upon.
People admire these qualities although they may not approve of the actions themselves.
Clinton being the perfect example...His "theater" skills were very good in regard to those of morality issue
Toss him in a barrel of shit...he emerges as a roll of angel soft toilet paper every time

 

[The Man]

I think that the activities that have happen since 9/11 may have swayed some people who were on the fence about the U.S. or anybody else for that matter. But still don't think it's fair to lump all Muslims in with the terrorists. Sure, they may not be happy with how it was handle (and I think very few people are, regardless of their religion) but they are certainly not wishing death upon us.

In all actuality what led to 911 was our military presence in Saudi Arabia{welcomed by Saudi Arabia} AQ despised this ..But SA would not expel the US..years later we are attacked.
The odd thing is that AQ stems out of Saudia Arabia to begin with but rather than an internal attack{to SA} for sleeping with the enemy..they go for the US and we have 911

 

[The Man]

I agree there should be no war. But I don't think it's between Islam and Christianity or Islam and everybody else. I think think it's between a few crazies and the rest of the world.

AQ and the Taliban are rather large..while not much of a problem in 1970 thats no longer the case
The Taliban for instance took control of Afg and was the govt of afg..we displaced them...they still rule outside the city
Pakistan in large parts is ran by the Taliban while not the official govt it takes up a rather large portion of "no mans land" with cities being ran by the taliban
The Taliban provides shelter and training grounds for{aq} Al Qaeda
The Taliban and AQ have been spreading very very fast....growing faster than you can pick em off...what once was few dozen now effects nations.
Aq is also present now in nations in africa .. we are are fighting over there as well although it doesn't get the publicity as the Mideast.

 

[Sneakiecat]

You are still talking about a minority of a religion.

 

[The Man]

You are still talking about a minority of a religion.

Not at all...when this "minority" takes over nations they are no longer a minority
These people support the AQ and the taliban..they want them..they like them..to them they are purists and not terrorists
They are living by the doctrine...to even mention disapproval is grounds for execution for you are spatting the doctrine

 

[The Man]

Not at all...when this "minority" takes over nations they are no longer a minority
These people support the AQ and the taliban..they want them..they like them..to them they are purists and not terrorists
They are living by the doctrine...to even mention disapproval is grounds for execution for you are spatting the doctrine

I would also like to mention this is a factual post and not one of bigotry as observed in my comment section{not sneakiecat}
Its is rather sad that constructive debates become victim of attempted leverage of position through the use of red rep.
Close mindedness with closing the door on gain of knowledge is a sad affair that we must all deal with on a daily basis..Such mindsets are responsible for the current state of affair the world is now in.

To further since some dont know who the Taliban or Al qaeda is or what "doctrine" is in reference to above post resultant behavior could be excused.
But then again why red rep a post if you dont understand its contents?
I will make it easy....

"I red repped this post as I dont understand its contents and am a *place description here*

 

[satinbutterfly]

You can continue to whine about it, but that is not going to stop me from neg repping you when you spew garbage like that. In fact, it will only make sure that I do every single time.

 

[satinbutterfly]

Oh, and in response to your rep, here is the definition of bigotry so you're clear:

Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot," a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance and animosity toward members of a group.[SUP][1][/SUP] Bigotry may be directed towards those of a differing sex or sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, religious or spiritual belief, political alignment, age, economic status or medical disability. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view.

 

[The Man]

You can continue to whine about it, but that is not going to stop me from neg repping you when you spew garbage like that. In fact, it will only make sure that I do every single time.

Thank you for showing the forum your response...You are in full bloom

 

[The Man]

Oh, and in response to your rep, here is the definition of bigotry so you're clear:

Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot," a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance and animosity toward members of a group.[SUP][1][/SUP] Bigotry may be directed towards those of a differing sex or sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, religious or spiritual belief, political alignment, age, economic status or medical disability. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view.

That would describe your state of mind towards the Doc now wouldn't it /as he is living his religious belief and you show an intolerance for it .
So you defend certain groups or individuals but yet deny others

Thank you one again for showing the forum

You have placed a description of yourself *here* through perfect example.
Good work Ms Sherlock

 

[satinbutterfly]

That would describe your state of mind towards the Doc now wouldn't it /as he is living his religious belief and you show an intolerance for it .
So you defend certain groups or individuals but yet deny others

Thank you one again for showing the forum

You have placed a description of yourself *here* through perfect example.
Good work Ms Sherlock

So because I'm intolerant of bigotry, that makes me a bigot? :24: