Is God A Hypocrite?

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All Else Failed

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Correct but just because we have biological factors to take into consideration does not mean that critical thinking is not taking place. It is and it is taking into consideration those biological factors. When I am tired I can choose to drink a Red Bull or go take a nap.
If you drink the red bull to prove to yourself that you somehow have free will, you're brain is simply producing the chemicals that make you feel as though you need to prove a point. All thoughts, all memories, all actions can be broken down to electronic impulses and chemical reactions.
 
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you're brain is simply producing the chemicals that make you feel
Not all scholars believe that feelings come before thoughts.

All thoughts, all memories, all actions can be broken down to electronic impulses and chemical reactions.
And it is useless storage unless we make a choice to do something with it.

You keep wanting to focus on the process only, but just because electronic impulses and chemical reactions are the means to which we are able to take in/sense information and get messages to our brain and from our brain to the rest of our body for self awareness and preservation does not mean this is all there is to us. That is a pretty one faceted human being. There is more to us than just our biological responses. We are more complex than the reflexive thinking you are basically describing to put it simply. We do make choices which is why people in similar circumstances range from one end of the bell curve to the other when it comes to their end results.
 

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Excellent question. Many will tell you that there has to be a balance between good and evil, while God gave you the freewill, he wants you to be on his side without forcing you to do so.

Which brings up another one of my problems omnipresence vs freewill. You can't have both.

And we've already had a debate thread with that subject(omniscience vs freewill). I'm pretty much with James on this subject.

Here is how I view that issue:
We don't have omnipresence, but God does. Just because he knows past, present, and future doesn't mean that we do not have freewill. Very simply speaking of course, I may know that my child is going to pick a candy bar instead of an apple if presented with the choice. But just because I know what the child is going to do does not mean that I have interfered with their free will to make the choice.

I believe that God has made His will known to us. And it is in that understanding that I believe it is for us to choose whether we are going to move up along side God's will and attempt to let Him work through and in us or if we are going to continue to try and accomplish everything in our own selfish will.

(This is strictly what I believe for myself and my life. Excuse me if my answer is too spiritually worded, it is just a part of who I am. I hope you kwim)
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That's not the way this is being looked at. Ok, most people that believe in God and his powers and this and that, say that he is ALWAYS right, he is 100% perfect, always correct, never wrong, omniscient(he knows everything we will ever do). Therefore, we can't have freewill, because he's already predicted that we will do whatever it is we're going to do. And if he's never wrong, then whatever he knows we're going to do, is what we're going to do. No matter what we try to do to throw that action off course, he still knows we're going to do that, and since he's always right, it'll happen.

Just by replying to this thread, we could be following God's plan. If God does know everything we're going to do, he already knows who's going to take his side, who's going to take Satan's side, so why have religion at all? Why not just cut out the middle and put us in Heaven or Hell from the get-go?

If God really is omniscient, as everyone says, then freewill doesn't exist. We just THINK it does, and in reality, it doesn't. We're basically all just robots, so to speak. Programmed to do this particular action at this particular point in time. As James said, you can't be omniscient and have freewill at the same time. They contradict each other.

And on AEF's side, he has a point. Our bodies do numerous actions that are beyond our control, which already puts a halt on the freewill theory. If freewill did exist, I could just choose not to sleep when I'm tired, and I wouldn't fall asleep. But when you get too tired, your body sometimes forces you to go to sleep, which is against your freewill.
 

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Our body needs certain things to live. We need our bodies to live so that we can go about life. Going about life requires choices on our part. Just because my body needs nutrients doesn't cancel out the fact that I make choices in life. It isn't all or nothing. We are much more faceted creatures than that.
 

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I would like to make a point here: There is no such thing as actions, only reactions. You always react to somehting, never acting. Nothing you do can be considered an action, and therefore "free will" cannot logically exist.

You might say "But I can control how i react!" but thats the thing, you're still just reacting to somehting, and do not have a choice in the matter.
 

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Our body needs certain things to live. We need our bodies to live so that we can go about life. Going about life requires choices on our part. Just because my body needs nutrients doesn't cancel out the fact that I make choices in life. It isn't all or nothing. We are much more faceted creatures than that.

But you make those choices BASED on the things your body does against your freewill. Your body forces you to require nutrients to live, therefore, you eat. Sure, you can choose not to eat, but you can't choose to survive without nutrients, which is where freewill comes into play.

I would like to make a point here: There is no such thing as actions, only reactions. You always react to somehting, never acting. Nothing you do can be considered an action, and therefore "free will" cannot logically exist.

You might say "But I can control how i react!" but thats the thing, you're still just reacting to somehting, and do not have a choice in the matter.

Well if you wanna get complicated, there could only be ONE action in the existence of humans, and that was back when the first humans existed, Adam and Eve. From their first action, the rest of the world came to be as a series of reactions from that one action.

My teacher pointed something out today, everything you do, EVERYTHING has a consequence. It may be a good one, it may be a bad one, but EVERYTHING you do in life has a consequence. I even tried to prove her wrong by snapping. The consequence: my fingers made a noise. I tried closing my book. The consequence: I couldn't read my book to do my work.
 

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I guess we are getting to the point of beating a dead horse.

Nothing anyone states here is going to change my mind that we have freewill. I chose to think this way.

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But you make those choices BASED on the things your body does against your freewill. Your body forces you to require nutrients to live, therefore, you eat. Sure, you can choose not to eat, but you can't choose to survive without nutrients, which is where freewill comes into play.



Well if you wanna get complicated, there could only be ONE action in the existence of humans, and that was back when the first humans existed, Adam and Eve. From their first action, the rest of the world came to be as a series of reactions from that one action.

My teacher pointed something out today, everything you do, EVERYTHING has a consequence. It may be a good one, it may be a bad one, but EVERYTHING you do in life has a consequence. I even tried to prove her wrong by snapping. The consequence: my fingers made a noise. I tried closing my book. The consequence: I couldn't read my book to do my work.

Yeah, they didn't exist.

Don't ask me why, just open a science book.
 
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