Is becoming like God good or evil?

[Stone]

I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say here..........................................

What GIA seems to be trying to 'say'....is that he'll take any biblical comment out of context to support his own gnostic beliefs.
What is interesting is that he out cherry picks and out out quote mines the most fundamentalist of fundamentalists I've had the experience of debating.
Sophistry and contextual abuse are about all you're going to experience from him in his 'I hate God' rants.

GIA appears to be some sort of 'gnostic warrior/priest' and currently, Christianity is his target.

rob.....ask GIA what he believes in.......especially topics involving his support of legalizing drug abuse and addiction, Lilith and her many demon spawn, his bizarre take on Eden where he denies scripture in the Christian Bible but uses out takes out of context to prove his own version with no explanation for the differences..... and of course the secretive gnostic favorite I'd like to hear more of ( ) magik sex ( yes, magic with a 'k' ).

Trust me, after a while, it all sounds like barking

 

[robdawg1]

LOL, I went further back and read some more... I got very confused as to any form of belief system held at all, as it seems contradictory and incindiary more than logical and pro-discussion based.

 

[Stone]

LOL, I went further back and read some more... I got very confused as to any form of belief system held at all, as it seems contradictory and incindiary more than logical and pro-discussion based.

Just pointing out that his threads are also posted at many other forums across the internet.
He's not mere 'debating' OTZ members, he's essentially set up a an advertising campaign for his 'religion' and uses forums like ours as billboards.

it seems contradictory and incindiary more than logical

Indeed.
He does post some incredible fallacies .

 

[Greatest I am]

I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say here...but my answer...

We were also made in his image, which can be interpreted that spiritually we seek to obtain the perfection of God. However, God is a jealous god and has decreed that we shall have no other god or false idol. This means that we shouldn't try to be gods, but we should strive to perfect our spirit, and live purely to be like God!

Yes and a perfect spirit knows good from evil.
Is that knowledge not what A & E reached out for?

They could not be like God without the knowledge of the tree of knowledge.
From what you say, they had to eat of it?
Right?

If so, what are your thoughts on God punishing them?

Regards
DL

 

[robdawg1]

They recieved and passed on the knowledge of good and evil. God instructed them not to and punished them when they did. That was his instruction specifically to them, as their decendants we have different instructions...i.e. the rest of the Bible...

 

[Minor Axis]

They recieved and passed on the knowledge of good and evil. God instructed them not to and punished them when they did. That was his instruction specifically to them, as their decendants we have different instructions...i.e. the rest of the Bible...

What kind of advanced species would we be if we did not understand the difference between right and wrong, good and evil? Our morality must be tested for it to mean anything. It seems obvious to me, the premise for the fall of man is the result of mental gymnastics from an ancient "but wise" thinker who had to have an angle explaining why we suffer the way we do, in other words endure a mortal life. It makes no logical sense for God to create imperfect beings, then expect them to be perfect, giving them only decrees, but questionably little guidance, then punishing them for failing, but not only them, all of their descendants forever and ever. Sounds a little far fetched to me.

 

[Greatest I am]

They recieved and passed on the knowledge of good and evil. God instructed them not to and punished them when they did. That was his instruction specifically to them, as their decendants we have different instructions...i.e. the rest of the Bible...

Yes. An immoral set of instructions and examples of an immoral God of war.


You just went into dogma mode without answering the simple questions I posted.

Care to or is this your best opologetics?

I had a question on morality as well but see that you have been asked just above.
Let me sweeten it though by asking if you are aware that the knowledge of good and evil is knowledge of damned near everything as almost everything is subject to good and evil?

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

Yes. An immoral set of instructions and examples of an immoral God of war.


You just went into dogma mode without answering the simple questions I posted.

Care to or is this your best opologetics?

I had a question on morality as well but see that you have been asked just above.
Let me sweeten it though by asking if you are aware that the knowledge of good and evil is knowledge of damned near everything as almost everything is subject to good and evil?

Regards
DL

An immoral set of instructions and examples of an immoral God of war.

You forgot the 'IMO'

You just went into dogma mode without answering the simple questions I posted.

Speaking of 'dogma', ever bother to go back and see what you've been posting? ....

Care to or is this your best opologetics? (sic)

(looks to me like you're 'dithering' )

I had a question on morality....

I've questioned your morality about advancing a culture of drug abuse and addiction while subjecting children to it and never received a logical answer. Isn't it rather hypocritical to be reaming out a person for their beliefs while not responding to your own questionable morality?

Let me sweeten it though by asking if you are aware that the knowledge of good and evil is knowledge of damned near everything as almost everything is subject to good and evil?

How can you sweeten an illogical supposition? By your own words, in this forum, not only did you claim intent determined 'good' or 'evil' you contradicted your theory by claiming some of the laws of nature were evil by creating victims......your 'evolution' argument......while again contradicting yourself by claiming acts of nature were benign because there was no intent.
Contradictory crapolla is all you've been posting to prove your hatred of God is real.......and well, that you have certainly proven.

I still find it extraordinarily incredible that you claim to have gained almost infinite knowledge in your 5 to 6 second apotheosis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis ) that elevated you to divine status. Not to brag....but.... I have been booting your arse about in regards to your logic.......and I'm a mere mortal

 

[Stone]

What kind of advanced species would we be if we did not understand the difference between right and wrong, good and evil? Our morality must be tested for it to mean anything..........................................

I understood the first sentence.
But how is the concept 'morality' tested?
Morality is the differentiation between 'good' and 'bad'.
To first know the difference is followed by a moral code.
Your statement reverses the concept and presents an 'end justifies the means' argument.
History does show this was disastrous under Stalin and most dictators.

 

[Greatest I am]

I still find it extraordinarily incredible that you claim to have gained almost infinite knowledge in your 5 to 6 second apotheosis (

This is an outright lie for any who actually read your shit.

Regards
DL

 

[The Man]

LOL, I went further back and read some more... I got very confused as to any form of belief system held at all, as it seems contradictory and incindiary more than logical and pro-discussion based.

Look at some of the other threads started by GIA as well....IMO they should have a disclaimer at the footer of the first post in those threads "for entertainment purposes only"

 

[Stone]

This is an outright lie for any who actually read your shit.

Regards
DL

You have claimed to have achieved apotheosis in .....and I quote you, 5 or 6 seconds......if you wish to challenge that and request a moderator to make me go back and dig up your bullshit claim, I will.
And you have continually argued man can become god-like.

But you're just not that divine .... ( that's not opinion, that's observation :eek.....:tooth )

 

[Stone]

Look at some of the other threads started by GIA as well....IMO they should have a disclaimer at the footer of the first post in those threads "for entertainment purposes only"

they should have a disclaimer at the footer of the first post in those threads "for entertainment purposes only"

:thumbup
Indeed.......

 

[Stone]

This is an outright lie for any who actually read your shit.

Regards
DL

And further more.......would a moral god-like being of almost infinite wisdom go around using language like that? :eek

 

[Stone]

This is an outright lie for any who actually read your shit.

Regards
DL

You have claimed to have achieved apotheosis in .....and I quote you, 5 or 6 seconds......if you wish to challenge that and request a moderator to make me go back and dig up your bullshit claim, I will.
And you have continually argued man can become god-like.

But you're just not that divine .... ( that's not opinion, that's observation :eek.....:tooth )

I see by your membership page you've logged on this morning at 9:34 and I see no challenge from you.
I'm assuming you did read this thread this morning


I'm disappointed as probably the millions of your admirers are, also...:24:...so I took a couple of minutes to find your claim to god-like status.

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread...erfect-works&p=1907077&viewfull=1#post1907077

excerpt>

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness.

Just wondering, and it's been on my mind for a while ( .... )
how does a god-like being of almost infinite wisdom think 'demographically'......and what does it mean in theological terminology?

And as far as your 'paradigm of reality' is concerned, with all the contradictions you made concerning the relationships of good/evil to the physical laws of our reality along with the confusion about the intent of evolution, how are you capable of
assigning value to your unique 'paradigm', with all of it's logical fallacies?

other excerpts from that post of interest:

I am rather between a rock and a hard place ...

Indeed, that I agree with.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe ......

Depends on your definition of 'happy', doesn't it?

The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship, it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

What's the point of seeking further when you've established yourself as being a supreme being?
( rhetorical )

And you claim I post 'shit'.


Ha!

 

[Stone]

Speaking of you being 'happy',.......... GIA........this has just gotta hurt

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/08/ebay-bans-magic-potions-curses-spells/

 

[Greatest I am]

You really do not have a life do you.
Can you not find someone who will tolerate you and talk to you?
Is that why you talk to those who ignore you?

Those are questions but I will ignore your answer regardless but do your thing you pathetic thing.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

You really do not have a life do you.
Can you not find someone who will tolerate you and talk to you?
Is that why you talk to those who ignore you?

Those are questions but I will ignore your answer regardless but do your thing you pathetic thing.

Regards
DL

.......

 

[Minor Axis]

You really do not have a life do you.
Can you not find someone who will tolerate you and talk to you?
Is that why you talk to those who ignore you?

Those are questions but I will ignore your answer regardless but do your thing you pathetic thing.

Regards
DL

5 messages in a row, however I admit it's nice seeing the name Stone and a blank slate. However, the level of conversation is a lacking in these threads due to the lack of a variety in participation.

 

[Stone]

5 messages in a row, however I admit it's nice seeing the name Stone and a blank slate. However, the level of conversation is a lacking in these threads due to the lack of a variety in participation.

Let me guess, you're still pissed about being called out on your imaginative fantasyland Earth Simulator/spirit world?......

However, the level of conversation is a lacking in these threads due to the lack of a variety in participation.

Conversation?
These GIA ( god-like being of almost infinite wisdom :smiley24: ) thread topics are 'I hate God' rants.
Once the gross fallacies embedded in the opening post and the thread starter's logic are pointed out, there isn't much left to converse about.

I suspect what disappoints you most is that fundamentalists aren't often sucked in by the baiting.