Inmates: Rights or Privileges

[boxer810]

They should just have small apartments....why they have $200,000 homes confuses me.

Because they aren't ready to live on their own completely yet. These homes are group homes, where they have officers that live there with them, and full-time counselors and health-care staff on hand 24 hours a day. It's a very new program that the state is trying, and it seems to be working quite well.

 

[Peter Parka]

The state cannot force an inmate to participate in educational classes, they can't force an inmate to take part in the classes that teach them how to be better citizens.

Why not? They do here. When you go in to prison you are tested on your education. If it's below a certain standard you are forced to go on education. If you refuse, you are put in solitary confinement with no telly until you do. Most prisoners are glad to go on it anyway, it's a chance to get out of their cell and it more interesting than some of the work.

 

[boxer810]

Why not? They do here. When you go in to prison you are tested on your education. If it's below a certain standard you are forced to go on education. If you refuse, you are put in solitary confinement with no telly until you do. Most prisoners are glad to go on it anyway, it's a chance to get out of their cell and it more interesting than some of the work.

Simply because who is going to force them? Me as an officer? Am I going to stand over that inmate that doesn't want to learn and force his head into that book? What am I going to do when he refuses? Taze him? Send him to solitary confinement? No. So they don't force them. I think it's a good idea for inmates to learn, but a lot of them prefer to lay around eating all day watching TV.

 

[Peter Parka]

Simply because who is going to force them? Me as an officer? Am I going to stand over that inmate that doesn't want to learn and force his head into that book? What am I going to do when he refuses? Taze him? Send him to solitary confinement?

They do here. Not many refuse though anyway as I mentioned, chance to get out of their cell and stuck on your own with no telly is a lot worse.

 

[boxer810]

There are guys here that refuse just for the purpose of starting a fight. It's not worth the aggravation.

 

[Peter Parka]

Really seems bad what's going on in your prisons! I thought ours had bad enough problems but it seems like yours need a drastic attitude overhaul!
You should definately move to the UK to become a PO here, compared to that shit, you'd love it here!

 

[All Else Failed]

Because they aren't ready to live on their own completely yet. These homes are group homes, where they have officers that live there with them, and full-time counselors and health-care staff on hand 24 hours a day. It's a very new program that the state is trying, and it seems to be working quite well.

Oh, I thought they were just individual houses. That sounds good.

 

[boxer810]

Really seems bad what's going on in your prisons! I thought ours had bad enough problems but it seems like yours need a drastic attitude overhaul!
You should definately move to the UK to become a PO here, compared to that shit, you'd love it here!

I have been thinking that American prisons need some serious tweaking for as long as I've been a guard!

Oh, I thought they were just individual houses. That sounds good.

I think so too. Group homes take the pressure off an inmate as an individual if they see others going through the same things that they are.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I disagree with this...partly. Certain things still go on in the prisons here that shouldn't and we as prison guards try our best to weed out what we can. But, our prisons DO teach things...to the inmates that are willing to learn. The state cannot force an inmate to participate in educational classes, they can't force an inmate to take part in the classes that teach them how to be better citizens. It's a shame, but what can you do? The resources are there, but when a person won't participate, there's nothing left for you to do.

Bullshit, plain bullshit. I have no idea what it was like where you are from, but here, the prisoners run the show, not the guards.

It's time the prison system took over, and yes, you CAN make them do what YOU want. They can sit in a damn classroom all day shackled to the desk for all I care. No they don't have to learn, but they can sit there and be mad that they can't shank someone today for cigs.

The fact is, is that due to beuracracy, the states have given up, and the tax payers are suffering the consequences. Prisons have become grad schools for criminal behavior.

 

[boxer810]

Bullshit, plain bullshit. I have no idea what it was like where you are from, but here, the prisoners run the show, not the guards.

It's time the prison system took over, and yes, you CAN make them do what YOU want. They can sit in a damn classroom all day shackled to the desk for all I care. No they don't have to learn, but they can sit there and be mad that they can't shank someone today for cigs.

The fact is, is that due to beuracracy, the states have given up, and the tax payers are suffering the consequences. Prisons have become grad schools for criminal behavior.

Now I COMPLETELY agree with this! Officers here have very little leeway when it comes to restraint and control tactics. Violence from an officer is allowed, but that inmate better damn well have put his hands on you first, and he better have damn well been trying to kill your ass. There's no forcing them to behave, forcing them to go to classes, forcing them to work, none of that. They do what they want, when they want, within the restraints and confines of the prison of course. But it's just become so overwhelmingly political. Look at my situation...to get my job back I will be forced to issue a public apology to an inmate that beat me up and tried to rape me and to his family that sued me when I beat the living shit out of him for it. :willy_nilly: Craziness!