Impeaching Bush?

[dt3]

Lincoln was a different situation. We're not facing a civil war.

So if Lincoln abolishes parts of the Constitution as he sees fit, it's ok.

If Bush does it he needs to be impeached?

 

[All Else Failed]

So if Lincoln abolishes parts of the Constitution as he sees fit, it's ok.

If Bush does it he needs to be impeached?

I do admit in dire times, one must do dire things. Lincoln was in MUCH more of a struggle and uncertain time than we are. We don't have to worry about hundreds of thousands of people marching up a few hundred miles and burning down the capitol, do we?

Bush is simply expanding the powers of the executive branch.

 

[dt3]

I do admit in dire times, one must do dire things. Lincoln was in MUCH more of a struggle and uncertain time than we are. We don't have to worry about hundreds of thousands of people marching up a few hundred miles and burning down the capitol, do we?

Bush is simply expanding the powers of the executive branch.

The South seceeded. They didn't want to overthrow America, they simply wanted to form their own country.

We don't have to worry about people marching up to the capital, we have to worry about them flying planes into it.

 

[All Else Failed]

The South seceeded. They didn't want to overthrow America, they simply wanted to form their own country.

We don't have to worry about people marching up to the capital, we have to worry about them flying planes into it.

I know they didn't want domination, I was just trying to paint a picture.



The chances of a terrorist attack now with the measures set in place after 9/11 is pretty damn slim. I just disagree with the rest of what has been enacted.

 

[dt3]

I know they didn't want domination, I was just trying to paint a picture.

Paint a picture you admit isn't true?

The chances of a terrorist attack now with the measures set in place after 9/11 is pretty damn slim. I just disagree with the rest of what has been enacted.

So the government's doing what it's supposed to then, right?

 

[UncleBacon]

the surveillance is making that possible

 

[All Else Failed]

Paint a picture you admit isn't true?




So the government's doing what it's supposed to then, right?

If the south had to burn the capitol to drive home the point that the north should stay out of their business, I think they would.



To a point. The patriot act has some good things to it, like joining the intelligence agencies together, but the rest of it is garbage.

 

[IntruderLS1]

... Must... fight .... urge.... to .... fight.....

LOL Good luck fellas.

 

[All Else Failed]

Nooooo fight on brave Intruder! :tongue:

 

[IntruderLS1]

Oh you don't want none of this.

 

[All Else Failed]

Look it man, I jog sometimes, and I drink protein shakes. RUN AWAY.

















:jk

 

[GraceAbounds]

You guys are funny!

 

[IntruderLS1]

** Cowers in fear from protein shake boy**

:jk:jk:jk

 

[All Else Failed]

*lightly slaps you and runs away*

 

[IntruderLS1]

Oh, and .... :muscles:

 

[IntruderLS1]

*lightly slaps you and runs away*

:rofl2::rofl2:

 

[All Else Failed]

:booty:

 

[NicAuf]

I think he should've been impeached but its too late now.

 

[dt3]

... Must... fight .... urge.... to .... fight.....

LOL Good luck fellas.

Have at it man, I'm done in this thread

 

[Tim]

It's actually pretty interesting in how people can still support this president. This isn't a democratic or republican issue, this is an issue that affects every last citizen of this great country. The president is sworn to uphold the constitution, yes, that god damned piece of paper as he once called it. It doesn't matter who is in office, defending the constitution and the laws of the land are more important than any administration whether it be democrat or republican. It doesn't matter what any of his predecessors did or said, all that matters now is that he carry out the duties appointed to him within the confines of the law.

We suffered a great loss on 9/11 at the hands of terrorists. They succeeded in ways they could not have foreseen. Not only did they instill fear, they succeeded in turning our government upon its own people. Laws and constitutional rights have been set aside in the name of our safety. We are held in fear that is perpetuated by our own government. Our fears and emotions from that attack were used to take us to war with a dictator who refused to sell us his oil. We were told that we had to attack since he was amassing weapons of mass destruction, even though it was our own government that removed the inspectors from Iraq while they were still actively searching.

Whether the government lied about WMD's or they just didn't have enough intel, they were negligent in getting the right info. It was criminal to say that Saddam had WMD's when there was no proof, the inspectors were still actively searching and we pull them out before they can do their job.

It scares me when I hear about warrantless wire tapping when we have a system in place for the proper checks and balances. Absolute power does not belong to any one branch of the government. A good example of why is the National security letter's used by the FBI. It gave the FBI untethered power to collect information on any US citizen. In a recent audit of only 10% of the letters used so far it was found that the bureau potentially violated the law or agency rules more than 1,000 times while collecting data about domestic phone calls, e-mails and financial transactions in recent years. And according to the patriot act, that information is kept secret. So if they collected information on you illegally, you will never know and you will never be able to correct the problem.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that our government has people "disappeared" to other countries to be interrogated and tortured. That will have to wait for another post