If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers

[The Man]

Reality and consequences.......what is a threat?
Let's do an analogy and question my way, now

If you don't pay your utility bill, is the notice from the power company that your electricity is about to be cutoff .........a threat to pay up or the consequence/reality of not paying?


Surely some can see the term, threat, is subjective?

Good point ..the word threat can be used loosely such as someone can say..."they threatened to cut off my power" when it is just a consequence of not paying.

But with the liberals every speed limit sign would be a threat as if you exceed that speed you are subject to consequences "the threat of a ticket"

 

[The Man]

Your point hasn't been made, you simply don't like the responses....you're proposing that in a particular case a man's perception of reality is a threat.

Agreed not only have they not been able to show a threat...they havent been able to show an implied threat.
Just an old guy saying if Obama is re elected he will have to cut back or just may call it quits and retire.

 

[Stone]

.................. ..the word threat can be used loosely such as someone can say..."they threatened to cut off my power" when it is just a consequence of not paying.

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Indeed......as much as I was accused of parsing out of context, which I obviously didn't, this thread is a prime example of the contextual abuse of the term 'threat'.

The 'threat' of reality is different in context to the 'threat' of bullying.
Sophistry and contextual abuse from the opening post:

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I mean bullying people into voting a certain party or else we close the doors is old school type politics that used to be the way in the 1970 and 1980s.

 

[Francis]

Your point hasn't been made, you simply don't like the responses....you're proposing that in a particular case a man's perception of reality is a threat.

Is this a threat ? YES or NO ?

[h=2]If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers[/h]

 

[The Man]

Is this a threat ? YES or NO ?

[h=2]If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers[/h]

That is merely the title of your thread.

Where is the threat of "If you vote for Obama I will fire you and the Non Obama voters get to keep their jobs"
If you cant assemble such then there is no threat....Bottom line

 

[Minderella]

It's a threat FOR ALL THE WORKERS.

If Obama gets elected, you'll ALL lose your jobs because I "won't be able to keep the company going based on taxes that may or may not be enforced".

It's like, sorry--sucks for you guys, but if so and so is elected I am going to have to fire you all because I won't be able to keep this company running. So, either just deal with it and look for a new job or maybe this will influence you to vote for someone else.

To me, that's a threat.

 

[The Man]

Indeed......as much as I was accused of parsing out of context, which I obviously didn't, this thread is a prime example of the contextual abuse of the term 'threat'.

The 'threat' of reality is different in context to the 'threat' of bullying.
Sophistry and contextual abuse from the opening post:

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this thread is a prime example of the contextual abuse of the term 'threat'.

Indeed.

The 'threat' of reality is different in context to the 'threat' of bullying.

Agreed again...He basically gave em a "health" report of the company and stated it can not struggle through further tax increases.

The 'threat' of reality is different in context to the 'threat' of bullying.
Sophistry and contextual abuse from the opening post:

I noticed that as well

 

[Stone]

Is this a threat ? YES or NO ?

If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers

Cute...but no cigar.......context is everything in this thread ......as I posted before......if predicting the future from a series of events......using your logic, as seen from the beginning of this thread up to the present......most politicians are guilty of threatening, most of the news media is guilty of threatening and most of the internet debate forums and blog sites guilty as well.

You should be considering there is something wrong with your logic.
You are obviously trying to make an absolute out of various contextual positions.
It's called ....sophistry......and it's the abuse of context.
Sophistry is also fallacy......
To be honest......you just aren't good enough to pull it off in this example.
You've also committed the fallacy of appeal to emotion. ( example: your above quote ) That you are a bit better at, but all things are relative......


Is it a 'threat'? If shooting the messenger of doom is criteria....yeah

 

[The Man]

It's a threat FOR ALL THE WORKERS.

If Obama gets elected, you'll ALL lose your jobs because I "won't be able to keep the company going based on taxes that may or may not be enforced".

It's like, sorry--sucks for you guys, but if so and so is elected I am going to have to fire you all because I won't be able to keep this company running. So, either just deal with it and look for a new job or maybe this will influence you to vote for someone else.

To me, that's a threat.

If Obama gets elected, you'll ALL lose your jobs because I "won't be able to keep the company going based on taxes that may or may not be enforced".

How is that a threat?

You have a public service job right.
Now if a candidate was proposing to cut funding in your area that would put jobs at risk.
And I told you about it....Am I threatening you...or giving you the heads up?
What if I was your boss?....whats the difference?
You can still vote for who you wish....but was only made aware of some policy the candidate had in mind.

No one is saying if you vote this guy I will fire you because you voted this guy....he is saying ..if he gets voted in I will have to cut back or retire due to his policy

 

[Francis]

That is merely the title of your thread.

You're wrong.. Its not "merely the title" of my thread..

It was the title of the news articles in the hyperlink.. Hence I did not make the title up..

 

[Stone]

It's a threat FOR ALL THE WORKERS.

If Obama gets elected, you'll ALL lose your jobs because I "won't be able to keep the company going based on taxes that may or may not be enforced".

It's like, sorry--sucks for you guys, but if so and so is elected I am going to have to fire you all because I won't be able to keep this company running. So, either just deal with it and look for a new job or maybe this will influence you to vote for someone else.

To me, that's a threat.

Looks more like a financial prophecy.

 

[The Man]

You're wrong.. Its not "merely the title" of my thread..

It was the title of the news articles in the hyperlink.. Hence I did not make the title up..

Ok..so the title of your thread and the article are the same...does it make it true.
If I found an article titled the earth is flat...does it make it true?

 

[Stone]

You're wrong.. Its not "merely the title" of my thread..

It was the title of the news articles in the hyperlink.. Hence I did not make the title up..

But you copy and pasted it to use in making a point.
That's the trouble with copy and paste arguments......there is always the possibility of having to defend elements and concepts with in the article that are emotional or with little logical merit.
Just because an author gets published, isn't proof all the content is correct.

I have no idea whether this Siegel is a jerk or even truthful. But you've been dancing around rhetoric, sophistry and contextual abuse so much, any point you might have has been long lost.

 

[Stone]

Ok..so the title of your thread and the article are the same...does it make it true.
If I found an article titled the earth is flat...does it make it true?

Hell yes

 

[The Man]

Hell yes

It does appear to use the same foundation for this thread.
The title of this thread was even quoted as "evidence" itself

 

[Francis]

Ok..so the title of your thread and the article are the same...does it make it true.
If I found an article titled the earth is flat...does it make it true?

No to answer both your question and Stone's "Hell yes" sarcastic post.. :thumbdown

The point I was trying to make was I answer your questions outright and you pussy foot around the question..

Now again.. This is a simple question.

Is this a threat ? YES or NO ?

If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers

 

[The Man]

Is this a threat ? YES or NO ?

If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers

The title of an article or thread is not evidence of a threat.

Again..If I found an article titled "the earth is flat"..is it evidence
No

 

[The Man]

Francis
With your logic we would be convicting people off the charge alone rather than the evidence

 

[Francis]

But you copy and pasted it to use in making a point.
That's the trouble with copy and paste arguments......there is always the possibility of having to defend elements and concepts with in the article that are emotional or with little logical merit.
Just because an author gets published, isn't proof all the content is correct.

I have no idea whether this Siegel is a jerk or even truthful. But you've been dancing around rhetoric, sophistry and contextual abuse so much, any point you might have has been long lost.

That's where your wrong.. Had I cut and pasted the whole article as if it was mine you would have a case but I indeed quoted it.. But I used it only as an example to my OP which was...

Don't threats like these actually discourage some people to vote a certain way. I mean bullying people into voting a certain party or else we close the doors is old school type politics that used to be the way in the 1970 and 1980s.. Everyone knows if there is a void in a market place it will be filled faster than you can say "money" so why bother.

Just my opinion but I think this will hurt Romney and not help..

 

[Stone]

No to answer both your question and Stone's "Hell yes" sarcastic post.. :thumbdown

The point I was trying to make was I answer your questions outright and you pussy foot around the question..

Now again.. This is a simple question.

Is this a threat ? YES or NO ?

If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers

Nothing has changed, slick.
My answer lies in past responses and I don't see any reason to keep repeating the same logic, which I point out ....you haven't even tried to refute.