If God is the most powerful being...

[icecuban]

yes and no, because he can

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

This would be why I hate religion. The irony in this is that if God has already planned our entire lives, and by all of us replying(And not replying), we're all complying with his plans. He's already decided who will argue about this topic, and what side they'll choose. Meaning even if I were to walk away from this topic right now, that's still part of his plan. Granted everything were already planned before we were born.

 

[icecuban]

This would be why I hate religion. The irony in this is that if God has already planned our entire lives, and by all of us replying(And not replying), we're all complying with his plans. He's already decided who will argue about this topic, and what side they'll choose. Meaning even if I were to walk away from this topic right now, that's still part of his plan. Granted everything were already planned before we were born.

i dont think its a terribly bad thing. I mean, if everything was truley apart of a domino effect. like, if i set something in motion (regardless of where or how or why), just knowing where everything is at that moment, and moving one thing, if knowledgable enough (which i think god is defined as) would know how everything is going to be effected from that very first instant all the way down the line, no matter how long. like when the bible says that the "word" was in the begining. words themselves were there, because it was going to be an obvious effect of that earlier event (atleast seen from the greater standpoint, like us over a domino line). whether this is all true or not is def debatable, but can easlily make sense, also kind of entertaining, and why not.

 

[icecuban]

and as long as its unknown to me, or anyone else for that matter, then i think our free will exists in order for the fate to happen, without the free will "feeling", the correct fate would never materialize, because we wouldnt have the ambition and wonder to perform.

 

[Reaver]

and as long as its unknown to me, or anyone else for that matter, then i think our free will exists in order for the fate to happen, without the free will "feeling", the correct fate would never materialize, because we wouldnt have the ambition and wonder to perform.

Why don't people understand this? If it's predestined and fate is real YOU DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHOICE. That's just simple ignorance of what will happen to you.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

yes and no, because he can

Blindly following a religion is never a good thing.

I don't care if you have faith but the least you could do is try to explain your reasoning. Or just at least admit that free will and predetermined life courses cannot coexist.

That's like saying two vehicles can occupy the same place at the same time without colliding. The laws of physics tell me otherwise.

 

[Chimera]

Uh.......I asked god what the secret of life is.

She showed me her titties...and smiled.

Explained it all as only God can.

 

[Magic P]

That's different. That is a planned event, it's not just a spur of the moment thing.

Let me put it to you like this. God supposedly knew that you were going to be typing this post long long before you were born.

God knew you were going to fight for him on this board long long before you were born.

He already had your life planned out for you - however your free will allows you to change that correct?

Or does it?

How can he know what you're going to do if you have free will?
How can you have free will if he knows what you're going to do?

See the paradox now?

I think either you guys or me is missing something. I think it's entirely possible to have free will if God knows what you will do. He knows long long time ago what I was going to do and he let me choose to do it. He doesn't interfere what I would type here even if it's something completely against him. And I can change to type up something anti-christ if someone convince me here and he would do nothing. So yeah I have my free will and he does know what I will do ten minutes later. I mean I can pray now and say please give me strength to study after this post, and he will but he doesn't change the outcome of my result cuz it depends on my work. So God does help when you ask him and he could change your future if you turn away from sins and follow him but that's your free will not his choice for you. i have a feeling that we will go around the circle again. Could someone tell me which part im not getting. Why do people think if the creator knows what you will do and have an opinion on what you are doing, then you won't have a free will? To me it's like separate things.:confused

 

[All Else Failed]

I think either you guys or me is missing something. I think it's entirely possible to have free will if God knows what you will do. He knows long long time ago what I was going to do and he let me choose to do it. He doesn't interfere what I would type here even if it's something completely against him. And I can change to type up something anti-christ if someone convince me here and he would do nothing. So yeah I have my free will and he does know what I will do ten minutes later. I mean I can pray now and say please give me strength to study after this post, and he will but he doesn't change the outcome of my result cuz it depends on my work. So God does help when you ask him and he could change your future if you turn away from sins and follow him but that's your free will not his choice for you. i have a feeling that we will go around the circle again. Could someone tell me which part im not getting. Why do people think if the creator knows what you will do and have an opinion on what you are doing, then you won't have a free will? To me it's like separate things.:confused

You have to understand that if he knows what you will do, he already knows if he will send you to heaven or hell. This means your actions are meaningless.

 

[memento_mori]

it's more than he knows what you will do, he PLANS what you do. and if everything is in his hands and he can change your path in life, then you're not changing your path in life- therefore you dont have free will.

 

[Magic P]

I guess what you guys mean is like this analogy:
God is the builder of a maze and we are the human beings in it. For us we tend to have free will of choosing which pathway to go and how we go about it. However, because of the restrictions of being in a maze, we have only two choices really, to get to the exist or stay in the maze. Therefore, we don't actually have a free will cuz God has already made the maze a certain way. Am I getting it right or at least closer?

 

[memento_mori]

if gods making us run a maze, then he's not all benevolent. if god cant help but make us run a maze, then he's not all powerful.

 

[Magic P]

it's an analogy. God's maze is not that simple.

 

[memento_mori]

it is an analogy, it's an analogy describing how difficult and confusing our lives are, the lives that god made. like a maze.

and if god could know the consequences of all his creations, if he could have made our lives simpler, and he didn't, then he's not all knowing.

if god decided to make our lives this complicated because its his will, then he's not all benevolent.

if its not within his power to get us out of this maze, then hes not all powerful. if its up to us to get ourselves out of this maze, on our own free will, and god cant help people who freely choose not to follow his will, then he cant do everything. because he cant help the people who freely choose to not follow his will.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Question #2: If God is all powerful and the Devil is nothing but evil. Why does God just not be rid of Satan and disallow temptation to sinning?

 

[All Else Failed]

Question #2: If God is all powerful and the Devil is nothing but evil. Why does God just not be rid of Satan and disallow temptation to sinning?

He needs evil to stay in business. :tongue:

 

[Magic P]

it is an analogy, it's an analogy describing how difficult and confusing our lives are, the lives that god made. like a maze.

and if god could know the consequences of all his creations, if he could have made our lives simpler, and he didn't, then he's not all knowing.

if god decided to make our lives this complicated because its his will, then he's not all benevolent.

if its not within his power to get us out of this maze, then hes not all powerful. if its up to us to get ourselves out of this maze, on our own free will, and god cant help people who freely choose not to follow his will, then he cant do everything. because he cant help the people who freely choose to not follow his will.

He did make our lives very simply before but Eve chose to rebel and now we are suffering from our own consequences. God is not controlling and because he's all powerful, even if we choose not to follow him, I am sure he's more than fine. But he loves us and his son died us so we could have a relationship with him. We made this maze this way and God says, learn your lesson in the maze but I will be with you and give you strength to get out of here in the end. When you don't have God, it's when you are alone in the maze.

 

[Magic P]

Question #2: If God is all powerful and the Devil is nothing but evil. Why does God just not be rid of Satan and disallow temptation to sinning?

God will deal with Satan in the end, right now God allows it so that we can learn to choose. If we can't deal with temptation now, we will just repeat history and become one of the satans(fallen angel).

 

[memento_mori]

He did make our lives very simply before but Eve chose to rebel and now we are suffering from our own consequences. God is not controlling and because he's all powerful, even if we choose not to follow him, I am sure he's more than fine. But he loves us and his son died us so we could have a relationship with him. We made this maze this way and God says, learn your lesson in the maze but I will be with you and give you strength to get out of here in the end. When you don't have God, it's when you are alone in the maze.

and we're suffering the consequences of adam and eve's mistake, because god sent us out of eden. not our own consequences, their consequences. for people who believe in adam and eve anyway. does that sound like a kind being?

 

[Magic P]

and we're suffering the consequences of adam and eve's mistake, because god sent us out of eden. not our own consequences, their consequences. for people who believe in adam and eve anyway. does that sound like a kind being?

Well, that's not an one off mistake. Since then, humans made losa huge mistakes and so we are suffering from our day to day sins and mistakes, not just for human beings as a whole but also for what we do each day, or the decisions we make each day for ourselves.