I hate when guests insist that they are familiy

Good discussion here....I need to leave for a bit...:( or I wont be able to pay your guy's Taxes and welfare...;) btw...I do have decided to become a American....and don't give a toss anymore about that Dutch pasport.I left there 35 years ago and became HUMAN.:D
 
banned said:
@HK...I am the same like you....it would not bother me eighter but some would call you one day maybe a word you wont like.
There are many patriots in your country,persuming you are a American,... and work can disapear and divorce is common especially now day's so think twice before burning all bridges behind you my friend.
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I'm British, thanks :) and considering how unhappy you seem to be about not being able to vote, why would someone maybe calling you a bad name matter half as much as having that right?


Yes, shit happens. Which is why I'd get dual nationality if possible. If it wasn't then it would be a very big decision.
 
Panacea said:
No, I don't believe so. Just imagining if I were in his shoes.
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despite Chavez's disdain for US politics i bet it is not difficult for US nationals to get tourist visas to visit Venzuala, if i were him i would not hesitate in applying for US citizenship when eligible

course he is going to have to lie about his nazi grandparents on the application ;)
 
http://elections.bexar.org/Registration/registration.html
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  • Register to vote in the county in which you reside
  • Be a citizen of the United States
  • Be at least 17 years and 10 months of age to register and be 18 years of age by election day [/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=-1]Not be convicted of a felony, or if you are a felon, you must have completed all of your punishment, including any term of incarceration, parole, supervision, period of probation, or received a pardon. If you are on "deferred adjudication" or "off paper", you may register and vote.[/SIZE]
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From what I can tell, there isn't anything specific to voting in city of San Antonio elections beyond the county requirements. My beloved is a foreign citizen and permanent US resident. She can't vote. Her sister also moved to the US and opted to change her citizenship. She can vote. It never occurred to me to even inquire if I was eligible to vote while living in Japan or England. How on earth would it be to a country's advantage to allow voting privileges to people whose loyalties lie elsewhere??
 
banned said:
You can have a direct impact on your living situation by making your vote count...
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The advantage to the guest is obvious, thus why I didn't ask about it. My question was about the host country.

banned said:
The only reason I want now to apply for citizenship is to be able to vote and I am willing to give up my own nationality for that.
I have no other reason.Just don't want to see anymore wars.
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That's two of us.
 
Your not a host country anymore if your a permanent resident.....its absolutely correct in my view not to let temp residents not to vote and I believe there is not any western democratic country in the world what allows that.
 
banned said:
Your not a host country anymore if your a permanent resident.....its absolutely correct in my view not to let temp residents not to vote and I believe there is not any western democratic country in the world what allows that.
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*sigh* I'll ask again. How would it be to a country's advantage to allow voting privileges to people whose loyalties lie elsewhere?
 
Geesshhh man ......is that not logical???...if my loyalty belongs to The Netherlands as a citizen (just as a example) but I work and live here PERMANENT and pay taxes and even want to take part in your army,safe all my money on your banks,spend all my money on your economy whom do you think has the best interest in it ? Your emigration department is a bilion dollar industry for USA,many people just BUY themselfs an greencard and your government even advertises it and promote that in other countries.America is an perfect country for the rich to live in.If your poor you go to a social welfare country like The Netherlands whom still has an AAA rating :eek
 
banned said:
Geesshhh man ......is that not logical???...if my loyalty belongs to The Netherlands as a citizen (just as a example) but I work and live here PERMANENT and pay taxes and even want to take part in your army,safe all my money on your banks,spend all my money on your economy whom do you think has the best interest in it ?
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YOU! The country's interest is served quite well without granting you a vote, as evidenced by your willingness to pay taxes and even want to take part in your army,safe all my money on your banks,spend all my money on your economy already.

banned said:
Your emigration department is a bilion dollar industry for USA,many people just BUY themselfs an greencard and your government even advertises it and promote that in other countries.America is an perfect country for the rich to live in.
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And all this without granting voting privileges to non-citizens. You're not helping your case.

How would it be to a country's advantage to allow voting privileges to people whose loyalties lie elsewhere?
 
I have already explained the advantage...now it is just a matter of waiting the law to change....(like equal rights/ gay marriages )
As soon the rich stops emigrating to USA that will happen.
Unless you go the "Dutch" way,from socialism to .......
 
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banned said:
I am for 10 years in USA and pay Taxes in the same system as anybody else. I went true the burden of not been able to benefit from your welfare system till I had paid enough into it. As I am allowed to vote on local matters I can absolutely not see why I am not allowed to vote federal.
The phrase of becoming a citizen is nonsense. As a permanent residence you should have the right to vote for were your money is going to and used for. It is not the case of not willing to become a citizen but often if you do you will lose the nationality you come from and to force that on some one is not the freedom you carry and talk about so often. It’s you can pay money and even go in your army and die for your country but not be able to vote for your commander in chief or even choose for the one who is going to be your army officer in charge. Only point I agree with on is if to apply for the high office post you need to be a citizen AND BORN here all other things sounds more like a dictatorial idea to me. It is almost like not allowing and against the law prostitution but have them pay taxes over there income. Finally but not last. If you do promote to have people becoming a citizen first than make it at least affordable so it will not only be for the rich.Paying $ 1000 for a form, learning your national anthem and jumping to a circus hoop as some sort of loyalty sounds crazy to me.
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My wife is a Green Card holder and I have seen our immigration process in action. All I can say is: Welcome to the USA and all the insanity that goes with it.
 
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