I hate when guests insist that they are familiy

[banned]

Oh our immigration system is most definitely snafu. It needs overhauling in a major way. But that doesn't have anything to do with allowing foreign nationals to vote here.

and so it started today....
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-plans-change-immigration-rule-waivers-185945600.html

 

[porterjack]

Oh our immigration system is most definitely snafu. It needs overhauling in a major way. But that doesn't have anything to do with allowing foreign nationals to vote here.

Dont view them as foreign nationals, view them as US tax paying residents - cup half full not half empty kind of thing. The benefit to the US is the exact same benefit as when you vote - democratic participation, it encourages civic engagement and dialogue, the root, core principles of good governance stem from this. I would not be concerned about your wife's ability to vote in Japanese elections, allegiance to any one government's policies surely is not mutually exclusive, the cold war is over

 

[doombug]

Oh our immigration system is most definitely snafu. It needs overhauling in a major way. But that doesn't have anything to do with allowing foreign nationals to vote here.

My wife wants to become a citizen. She has shown an interest in voting but I really don't see what the big deal is. I think the biggest advantage would be not having to deal with USCIS ever again.

 

[banned]

My wife wants to become a citizen. She has shown an interest in voting but I really don't see what the big deal is. I think the biggest advantage would be not having to deal with USCIS ever again.

Once in 10 years is not that bad...but its nice to be able to carry a gun or to get drunk and not to be deported after a DUI or some smokes :24: so lets learn that Anthem and we can do all the things Americans can do....:24:
After all jail in USA means FREE health care....

 

[Accountable]

My wife wants to become a citizen. She has shown an interest in voting but I really don't see what the big deal is. I think the biggest advantage would be not having to deal with USCIS ever again.

I think I influence my beloved early on. I was/am very proud of my citizenship and couldn't for the life of me understand why a Japanese citizen wouldn't feel the same way about their country. After all, it's not like it was a third-world nation. I said as much on several occasions.
Still, her Japanese citizenship does make it easier to go back and visit her folks.

 

[banned]

I think I influence my beloved early on. I was/am very proud of my citizenship and couldn't for the life of me understand why a Japanese citizen wouldn't feel the same way about their country. After all, it's not like it was a third-world nation. I said as much on several occasions.
Still, her Japanese citizenship does make it easier to go back and visit her folks.

That will stop one day and in the meantime you can kicked out of the USA ANYTIME they feel like it.Gettin out is easy ....going back in not.

 

[Accountable]

Dont view them as foreign nationals, view them as US tax paying residents - cup half full not half empty kind of thing.

I view them as people whose best interests likely lie with their country of citizenship, rather than the USA. The rare exceptions are not worth allowing every foreign national (they are, regardless of your cute semantics) a voice in our political processes.

The benefit to the US is the exact same benefit as when you vote - democratic participation, it encourages civic engagement and dialogue, the root, core principles of good governance stem from this.

Why would a country benefit from the civic engagement of people whose interests lie outside that country?? It would be foolish. Maybe I should give my neighbors' opinions equal weight to my own on how to raise my children (if I had any) or which shirt to wear each morning. It would be as dumb as opening the Canadian national elections to the US border states.

I would not be concerned about your wife's ability to vote in Japanese elections, allegiance to any one government's policies surely is not mutually exclusive, the cold war is over

Huh?? :wtf:

 

[Accountable]

That will stop one day and in the meantime you can kicked out of the USA ANYTIME they feel like it.Gettin out is easy ....going back in not.

What will stop?

 

[porterjack]

I view them as people whose best interests likely lie with their country of citizenship, rather than the USA. The rare exceptions are not worth allowing every foreign national (they are, regardless of your cute semantics) a voice in our political processes.

these people live in the US they have left their birth country behind and despite being citizens are non-residents, therefore not eligible to vote, they shoulx br able to vote based on permanent residency not citizenship. If voter turnout is as low in Texas as it is in Ontario the more the merrier, in any event the total number of votes in question are not likely to affect the outcome of the election.

 

[banned]

What will stop?

Visiting her folks ...unless they out live her,what I hope not.

 

[Accountable]

these people live in the US they have left their birth country behind and despite being citizens are non-residents, therefore not eligible to vote, they shoulx br able to vote based on permanent residency not citizenship. If voter turnout is as low in Texas as it is in Ontario the more the merrier, in any event the total number of votes in question are not likely to affect the outcome of the election.

Love ya, Pj, but in this you're myopic.

Visiting her folks ...unless they out live her,what I hope not.

Oh, gotcha. Yeh they're really old and Dad just had a stroke this Fall. You're right, we'll have a decision to make once they're gone.

 

[banned]

I view them as people whose best interests likely lie with their country of citizenship, rather than the USA. The rare exceptions are not worth allowing every foreign national (they are, regardless of your cute semantics) a voice in our political processes.

these people live in the US they have left their birth country behind and despite being citizens are non-residents, therefore not eligible to vote, they shoulx br able to vote based on permanent residency not citizenship. If voter turnout is as low in Texas as it is in Ontario the more the merrier, in any event the total number of votes in question are not likely to affect the outcome of the election.

Wel said Jack...with only one diff....one vote can do matter..goz it is all you need to win.A golf ball laying 100 ft from the hole and both players have a shot at it.First player leaves it short by one inch.Second player passes the hole by one feet.Whom you think did the best put? In my view not the player whom came one inches short because his ball NEVER had a chance to roll in.

 

[Thornless]

I didn't even vote in my own country, I don't care I can't vote here.

When I did vote(when I was forced to) I used "eenie meanie miney moe". :24:

 

[Accountable]

these people live in the US they have left their birth country behind and despite being citizens are non-residents, therefore not eligible to vote.

Are you certain about this? Because if you are correct, it is only for Canada. US citizens can vote absentee from anywhere in the world.

How about the Dutch, Banned?

 

[banned]

I can still vote in Holland if I want to ....but I am gone there for over 35 years.I can vote by absence and/or have someone doing it for me.

 

[porterjack]

Are you certain about this? Because if you are correct, it is only for Canada. US citizens can vote absentee from anywhere in the world.

How about the Dutch, Banned?

They can vote if they are residents who are temp absent

Can a US citizen who has been non resident living in the UK say for ten years stull vote in US elections, even though they are non residents?

 

[Accountable]

They can vote if they are residents who are temp absent

Can a US citizen who has been non resident living in the UK say for ten years stull vote in US elections, even though they are non residents?

I know of no time limits. They're citizens. They can vote. You mean to say Canada cuts off their citizens? Actually disenfranchises them??

 

[Johnfromokc]

After all jail in USA means FREE health care....

Yeah, I hear they give intense proctological exams. :bates:

 

[Accountable]

They can vote if they are residents who are temp absent

Can a US citizen who has been non resident living in the UK say for ten years stull vote in US elections, even though they are non residents?

I found this:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/living/overseas_voting/overseas_voting_4754.html#Eligibility

[h=5]Voting Eligibility[/h] Most U.S. citizens 18 years or older who reside outside the United States are eligible to vote absentee for candidates for federal offices in U.S. primary and general elections. In addition, some states allow overseas citizens to vote for candidates for state and local offices, as well as for state and local referendums. For information regarding your specific state, visit the Federal Voting Assistance Program's Voting Assistance Guide or the Overseas Vote Foundation website. The Overseas Vote Foundation is a non-partisan voter advocacy organization.


Each U.S. state has its own voting eligibility and residency requirements. Visit the FVAP website for information regarding your state of legal residence. For voting purposes, your state of legal residence is generally the state where you resided in immediately before leaving the United States, even if you no longer own or rent property or intend to return there in the future. Eighteen states specifically allow U.S. citizens who have never resided in the United States to register where a parent would be eligible to vote. Direct your questions about eligibility to your local election officials.

 

[porterjack]

So those who dont even intend to return and contribute get to vote

That is more offensive to me