Hyphenated America?

[Hans]

The example ist an example of an issue, if people want to make a buisness of making their own diners thats fine. However, (you probably dont have this issue where you live, so you cant relate to it as easily) there are people in our country who just feel like them not speaking english, them not recognizing things about our country since they arent born here, etc. its just disrespectful and it makes people who were born here/raised here lives much harder.

 

[Peter Parka]

The example ist an example of an issue, if people want to make a buisness of making their own diners thats fine. However, (you probably dont have this issue where you live, so you cant relate to it as easily) there are people in our country who just feel like them not speaking english, them not recognizing things about our country since they arent born here, etc. its just disrespectful and it makes people who were born here/raised here lives much harder.

Have you even been to England? If not why do you feel you can make assumptions in this manner? But you are probably kind of right, we dont in general have the same kind of kiss arsey issues about our identity as you do about stupid stuff like a bit of cloth called a flag. I dont like disrespect for my country, I'm a true English patriot but as long as someone isn't a direct threat to that, I have no problem with them being here. I'd like to people to respect us for our tolerance and welcoming attitude at least, even if others of my countrymen and women dont.I think that is one of the things about my country I'm more proud of than anything and it shames me to see people pulling us back to to the slave days when we felt superior to everyone.

 

[Zorak]

Exactly correct. We have an American culture, we are America. We welcome all if they come legally, but understand that just because we welcome you ... we have a culture of our own just like any other country. If you don't want to be a part of it, then leave.

Just to weigh my leftness into the debate

And I won't make any jokes about.. American (OXYMORON ALERT ACTIVE) culture :24::24:
:jk

I don't ask that any incomers into my country suddenly denounce their own culture or any part of it. I don't even ask they embrace our own culture, as a Briton it's my right to not partake in any of our cultures if I so choose, I think any immigrant should have that right too.

My only concern when it comes to immigrants is segregation, I have no problem with China towns or the such - these ethnic settlements are a very important way for them to both preserve family and social ties as well as their culture. What I do think is that it's of the utmost importance that we can accept any immigrants outside of their 'ethnic settlement areas', because this is their comfort zone. We have to make it as easy and welcoming as possible outside of their comfort zones, and from this we will all benefit as a society.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I am a United Statian! Fuck I really don't care...

 

[NicAuf]

I love other cultures. If you look at it, our American culture is just a vast blend of other cultures.

 

[Alien Allen]

I love other cultures. If you look at it, our American culture is just a vast blend of other cultures.

I agree but I think the point is we have developed our own culture. The melting pot age is over. And some of the immigrants are not trying to assimilate as those in the past did.

To me it seems ludicrous to call somewhere and be given the option to select a language first thing. I wonder how many other countries have adopted this approach. Seems to me that while on the surface it seems to be a good idea yet it contributes to the immigrants not feeling the need to learn ENGLISH.

Kind of getting off kilter but I would like somebody to explain why it could possibly be wrong to have a law mandating English as our official language. again I wonder if any other country has designated their language as the official one.

 

[Peter Parka]

I agree but I think the point is we have developed our own culture. The melting pot age is over. And some of the immigrants are not trying to assimilate as those in the past did.

Why? Because you say so?

Seems to me that while on the surface it seems to be a good idea yet it contributes to the immigrants not feeling the need to learn ENGLISH.

Erm, you speak American, not English, you spell wrong too. At least have the pride to admit you have a different language to us, most Americans I have spoken to on the phone cant understnd a word I say. That is fine, just stop calling your language English because it really isn't!
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[TheOriginalJames]

Actually, if you dont know anything about the topic, why post your uninformed opinions? This is supposed to be the place to post your own ideas, if you dont know anything about it/make it up on the fly, it really isnt the place to post it IMO.

As for African-Americans, that is entirly untrue. It applies to ANY immigrant who has arrived here and is not willing to give up traditions, and expects our country to cater to their needs/accept their ideas. While I dont think we should impose on other peoples ideas, I think they need to accept they arent in China, they arent in Ireland, they arent in Mexico they are in America.

*sigh* why argue? You didn't post any of your own ideas, you asked a question without giving any background information on why you asked it.

Why not start a topic and put some information about the topic in the post? Seems logical to me.

Now as for the hyphenated Americans topic thing here... I'm all for it. It gives someone more meaning, and links them to their ancestry.

 

[dt3]

Erm, you speak American, not English, you spell wrong too. At least have the pride to admit you have a different language to us, most Americans I have spoken to on the phone cant understnd a word I say. That is fine, just stop calling your language English because it really isn't!
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In all fairness Pete, I understood you a lot better when you were sober! :nod:

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I agree but I think the point is we have developed our own culture. The melting pot age is over. And some of the immigrants are not trying to assimilate as those in the past did.

um... wait... what? Melting pot does not equal assimilation.

A melting pot is when different cultures mix together, different traditions mix together, and different background mix together. They don't all just assimilate into the same thing. Everything is mixed. Different original traditions and backgrounds mix and continue on through offspring.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Erm, you speak American, not English, you spell wrong too. At least have the pride to admit you have a different language to us, most Americans I have spoken to on the phone cant understnd a word I say. That is fine, just stop calling your language English because it really isn't!
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We do speak the same language. It came from the same basic principle of sentence and word structure. Spelling some words differently and having a different accent does not mean that England residents and USA residents speak two different languages.

PS; the grammar & structure in your first sentence is absolutely horrible... you claim to speak English?

 

[Alien Allen]

Why? Because you say so?



Erm, you speak American, not English, you spell wrong too. At least have the pride to admit you have a different language to us, most Americans I have spoken to on the phone cant understnd a word I say. That is fine, just stop calling your language English because it really isn't!
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Interesting.

So you criticize me about the English part but then question me about my opinion about the melting pot.

so where is the hypocrite smiley anyway ???????

you want it both ways :nod:

 

[wednesday]

Have you even been to England? If not why do you feel you can make assumptions in this manner? But you are probably kind of right, we dont in general have the same kind of kiss arsey issues about our identity as you do about stupid stuff like a bit of cloth called a flag. I dont like disrespect for my country, I'm a true English patriot but as long as someone isn't a direct threat to that, I have no problem with them being here. I'd like to people to respect us for our tolerance and welcoming attitude at least, even if others of my countrymen and women dont.I think that is one of the things about my country I'm more proud of than anything and it shames me to see people pulling us back to to the slave days when we felt superior to everyone.

:clap
Standing ovation!! <<plus a lil mc hammer dance cuz im "with it":jk

 

[Zorak]

Erm, you speak American, not English, you spell wrong too. At least have the pride to admit you have a different language to us, most Americans I have spoken to on the phone cant understnd a word I say. That is fine, just stop calling your language English because it really isn't!

PS; the grammar & structure in your first sentence is absolutely horrible... you claim to speak English?

Seems like a perfectly viable complex declarative sentence to me. I'm amazed actually after all that scrumpy the clauses weren't all just flying anywhere:24:

 

[wednesday]

No comment on the English...i own up, i have to be the worst in grammar in here!! *sits in the corner sulking*

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Seems like a perfectly viable complex declarative sentence to me. I'm amazed actually after all that scrumpy the clauses weren't all just flying anywhere:24:

It's too complex to be a sentence, it should have been broken up into two sentences.

 

[Zorak]

There's no grammatical law that states a sentance must be made of x amount of clauses.

Except in the case of Simple, where it must be 1 clause. Compound sentences with dependent clauses, can have 2 or more, and complex sentences can be infinite in clauses, and totally independent from each other.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

It's broken up with too many commas.

Erm, you speak American, not English, you spell wrong too.

Erm, you speak American, not English. You spell wrong also.

While this is not 100% correct in any fashion, it's more grammatically correct so...


/point made, end of story.

 

[Zorak]

/begin story

 

[Peter Parka]

We do speak the same language. It came from the same basic principle of sentence and word structure. Spelling some words differently and having a different accent does not mean that England residents and USA residents speak two different languages.

PS; the grammar & structure in your first sentence is absolutely horrible... you claim to speak English?

Sorry, wasn't I as lazy as Americans and failed to miss out loads of letters in words or something?:24: