Homosexuality to you.

[All Else Failed]

I don't mind seeing PDA of a male/female couple at all.

So, there must be some deeper reason why you don't like seeing gays express their affection.

 

[NightWarrior]

My point is, that gays can be just as masculine as straight men. The only difference really between a straight guy and a gay guy is who they screw.

I never argued against this. Unfortunately, it is the flamboyant ones that create this stereotype (right or wrong, its there).

 

[All Else Failed]

I never argued against this. Unfortunately, it is the flamboyant ones that create this stereotype (right or wrong, its there).

Ok, we're getting somewhere.

What about their flamboyance annoys you? because in theory they are just acting like females do.

 

[NightWarrior]

Ok, we're getting somewhere.

What about their flamboyance annoys you? because in theory they are just acting like females do.

Who said it was annoying? If anything, it is un-becoming of what we have been taught a man is supposed to be. So, if they are acting like females like your theory states, then it is the opposite of what we have been taught. There's a reason a penis and a vagina fit together. If society became all gay men, our species would die. Ponder that.

 

[All Else Failed]

Who said it was annoying? If anything, it is un-becoming of what we have been taught a man is supposed to be. So, if they are acting like females like your theory states, then it is the opposite of what we have been taught. There's a reason a penis and a vagina fit together. If society became all gay men, our species would die. Ponder that.

"Who said it was annoying? If anything, it is un-becoming of what we have been taught a man is supposed to be. "

What is a man supposed to be? Can a man love another man and still go on about his business just like a straight man would?


Yes, there is a reason why the penis and vagina fit together, its an evolutionary feature to progress the species, and homosexuality is also there for a reason as well.

 

[NightWarrior]

"Who said it was annoying? If anything, it is un-becoming of what we have been taught a man is supposed to be. "

What is a man supposed to be? Can a man love another man and still go on about his business just like a straight man would?


Yes, there is a reason why the penis and vagina fit together, its an evolutionary feature to progress the species, and homosexuality is also there for a reason as well.

This is actually a pretty good topic to debate on as well. Come on AEF, we all know what man is supposed to be. Don't let your beliefs cloud your judgement.

 

[All Else Failed]

This is actually a pretty good topic to debate on as well. Come on AEF, we all know what man is supposed to be. Don't let your beliefs cloud your judgement.

No, I think the concept of "what a man is supposed to be" is incredibly vague, since there is not a single definition of what every man is supposed to be.

 

[NightWarrior]

No, I think the concept of "what a man is supposed to be" is incredibly vague, since there is not a single definition of what every man is supposed to be.

Well, everything is vague except the Constitution, and even that is open to interpretation. But you are right. Maybe we should start a debate on what the definition should be. The problem is that it will be subjective, but probably would make for interesting fodder.

 

[Peter Parka]

Wtf? your sex life must be pretty shit, was the penis designed to fit the mouth or hand? What about our friendly gay monkeys again? Are they evil sinners too?

 

[Maritxu]

Very well said, my love.

:eek she's a married woman!

 

[All Else Failed]

Well, everything is vague except the Constitution, and even that is open to interpretation. But you are right. Maybe we should start a debate on what the definition should be. The problem is that it will be subjective, but probably would make for interesting fodder.

The Constitution is pretty vague too.

But yeah that would make a god thread.


I'm just saying that, if there are two men (one gay one straight) and they both have lovers, stable jobs, kids (adopted for the gay couple) pay taxes, work hard etc etc whats the difference besides the preference of the gender they fall in love with? I just don't see any. They are both men.

 

[groundpounder]

Wtf? your sex life must be pretty shit, was the penis designed to fit the mouth or hand? What about our friendly gay monkeys again? Are they evil sinners too?

Venom was talking about the biological and evolutionary use of a penis. Just like I said before: at it's most basic and biological level, sex as a form of procreation is used to further the species. It's the "natural" function of sex. :smiley24: Here, AEF said it himself:

Yes, there is a reason why the penis and vagina fit together, its an evolutionary feature to progress the species

The other things you mention, Peter, are forms of pleasure. Jacking off is self pleasure, not procreation. Getting head is pleasure, not insemination. Anal sex is done by those who enjoy it for pleasure, not procreation. These are forms of sex that are not biological functions - they're done for pleasure.

Now, I am not suggesting that we should all stop giving and receiving oral because it serves no biological function. The world would spin off it's axis! :eek

But what Venom is saying now and I said before is that anal sex is not natural, it's done for pleasure. Men fucking men in their asses is not natural, and there's no other way to position it. :dunno

And what's your point with the gay monkeys? :confused Until I hear something, it's just a misdirection. Weird.

homosexuality is also there for a reason as well.

I'd like to hear this

 

[Tim]

But what Venom is saying now and I said before is that anal sex is not natural, it's done for pleasure. Men fucking men in their asses is not natural, and there's no other way to position it. :dunno

But on this same logic... getting head or a hand job isn't natural either. So does that make it just as bad as anal sex (even if it's with your wife)? And if No, then why not? It's just another form of pleasure.... I guess this all boils down to the society we grew up in and that some practices are accepted and some are not... that makes it a cultural topic.

 

[groundpounder]

But on this same logic... getting head or a hand job isn't natural either. So does that make it just as bad as anal sex (even if it's with your wife)? And if No, then why not? It's just another form of pleasure.... I guess this all boils down to the society we grew up in and that some practices are accepted and some are not... that makes it a cultural topic.

The point I was making is that anal sex is not natural. I pointed out that head and hand jobs or as you said anal with your wife is not natural, either.

If someone said, "You should stop eating your wife's pussy because it serves no biological function!!!" I'd say, "I'm not going to argue with you on that because you have a VERY good point - it serves no biological function. But I'm not going to stop."

I'm making no judgements regarding men sticking their peeners up another man's cornhole. As I said, to each their own.
I'm just pointing out that it's not natural. Does that mean that I'm not going to go down on my wife given the opportunity? ummm, nope!

 

[Tim]

I agree Jason, it's not natural and I don't want it to seem like I'm saying it is.

My point to bringing this up is the fact that it all started from the conversation of anal sex not being masculine...
Well that point goes out the window with my argument.

I also want to point out that there are homosexual couples out there who don't engage in anal sex. Actually more than you would think.

 

[groundpounder]

Well, it all goes back to one's definition of masculinity. What do you believe it is?

It's a fluid concept. But like I said before, I believe one of the cornerstones of being manly is liking women. Call me crazy, but it makes sense to me.

Now, do you have to be handy around the house, know the firing order of a 327 chevy, be able to bench press 400 pounds, drink beer or know how to spilt stack a cord of wood? Things like that seem silly to place those kind of requirements on being a man, I concur.

But this liking women thing. I gotta stick with it.

 

[GraceAbounds]

The point I was making is that anal sex is not natural. I pointed out that head and hand jobs or as you said anal with your wife is not natural, either.

If someone said, "You should stop eating your wife's pussy because it serves no biological function!!!" I'd say, "I'm not going to argue with you on that because you have a VERY good point - it serves no biological function. But I'm not going to stop."

I'm making no judgements regarding men sticking their peeners up another man's cornhole. As I said, to each their own.
I'm just pointing out that it's not natural.

Agree'd.

 

[All Else Failed]

um guys everything humans do is natural there is no such thing as "unnatural" when it comes to human behavior. Now, NORMALITY is what you guys are confusing "natural" with. Homosexuality is natural because it occurs in nature. Now, it is not NORMAL in the sense that it does not happen as much as heterosexuality.


Saying homosexuality isn't natural is arguing from not understanding what some words mean.

 

[dt3]

Dahmer ate people. I refuse to consider that natural.

 

[All Else Failed]

Dahmer ate people. I refuse to consider that natural.

There are various people that still practice cannibalism today, its totally natural to them, just not NORMAL by our standards because it doesn't happen enough for us to accept it.


Again, EVERYTHING HUMANS DO is natural. Natural is what occurs in relaity. Killing is natural, BDSM is natural, cannibalism is natural, but all of them are not NORMAL. See?