Hey Greatest I Am.

[Sparkey Duck]

Placid area,

I watched a documentary some time back about an alligator up there that was murdering everyone... my heart goes out to the families affected by that monstrous animal...

 

[Greatest I am]

Oh, another duck. I have asked you repeatedly to engage in this conversation. You know this would have ended a while ago if you could just, for once, back up your claims. Come on, you spend all your time on here trying to poke holes in Christians beliefs and catch them in a gotcha moment. Can dish it but can't take it out? Make some time, I know you have it. Tell me your thoughts on entropy and perfection. Justify your fairy tales.

Anyone with a hint of intelligence knows that entropy is the exact opposite of perfection by definition. By your logic, the Sistine Chapel is less perfect in its current state, than it would be if it crumbled into a heap of rubble with no features. I just want everyone to know what this guy's concept of "perfection" is. It is decay and disorder.

Still into the personal non issue shit eh.

All you deserve is this.

Candide

"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA

Is that fact or cynicism?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

evolution is the reality,and if there was in fact a divine creation it was a seeding of primitive apes by a species far ahead of us technologically

I agree and the enthropic principle shows that if the universe did not have the forces that hold matter together at exactly the values that they have, evolution would not have started.

That Candide link just above seems to agree and is just another way of thinking of our perfectly evolving reality.

Regards
DL

 

[porterjack]

There's more to the state than just NYC and Albany.

that is so true

the adirondacks are great

 

[Joe the meek]

I watched a documentary some time back about an alligator up there that was murdering everyone... my heart goes out to the families affected by that monstrous animal...

Put it on TV or the movies and it has to be true.

 

[Sparkey Duck]

Put it on TV or the movies and it has to be true.

I know its like in the newspaper they say we haven't been to mars.. they are idiots, I watched this one documentary where we were all over the universe and there's like aliens and stuff with acid for blood. I think the media is in denial of these horrid monstrous abominations

 

[Kyle B]

I've got to ask, I see you're listed as being in "upstate New York". Would that be up around the Watertown / Masenna / Placid area, or would that be the Catskill area?

I've lived in NY, and IMO Albany and NYC had the highest concentration of butt holes and pretty much ruin the whole state

There are lots of them in Westchester too. I don't know if that applies to the whole Hudson Valley though.

 

[Joe the meek]

There are lots of them in Westchester too. I don't know if that applies to the whole Hudson Valley though.

To answer your question (stuck on phone) Rome, Syracuse and Watertown.

 

[Pet Sounds]

I agree and the enthropic principle shows that if the universe did not have the forces that hold matter together at exactly the values that they have, evolution would not have started.

That Candide link just above seems to agree and is just another way of thinking of our perfectly evolving reality.

Regards
DL

For christs sake....

First of all it's the anthropic principle. Secondly, it is yet another tautology. If things were different they would be different. Why are things like this? Because we wouldn't be here otherwise. That is a tautology.

Again, it's like asking a doctor why I have a bloody nose, because it wouldn't be bleeding otherwise.

I only date pretty girls. Why are they pretty? Because I date them. Why do I date them? Because they are pretty. Wait, why are they pretty? Because they wouldn't be my girlfriends otherwise. Nothing here explains what pretty actually is. This is the argument you are giving me.

A Tautology is a statement that is always true because of its structure—it requires no assumptions or evidence to determine its truth. A tautology gives us no genuine information because it only repeats what we already know. Thus, tautologies are usually worthless as evidence or argument for anything.

I agree that the physics of our universe appear fine tuned for life.....at the moment. But those same physics show that the universe is on a non reversible course in which life will not be possible. Or even atoms will be possible. You can't have it both ways. It's perfect if it supports life, and it's perfect if it doesn't.

The AP is a tautology as is every justification your beliefs, which are also tautologies. You are justifying tautologies with other tautologies.

 

[Greatest I am]

For christs sake....

First of all it's the anthropic principle. Secondly, it is yet another tautology. If things were different they would be different. Why are things like this? Because we wouldn't be here otherwise. That is a tautology.

Again, it's like asking a doctor why I have a bloody nose, because it wouldn't be bleeding otherwise.

I only date pretty girls. Why are they pretty? Because I date them. Why do I date them? Because they are pretty. Wait, why are they pretty? Because they wouldn't be my girlfriends otherwise. Nothing here explains what pretty actually is. This is the argument you are giving me.



I agree that the physics of our universe appear fine tuned for life.....at the moment. But those same physics show that the universe is on a non reversible course in which life will not be possible. Or even atoms will be possible. You can't have it both ways. It's perfect if it supports life, and it's perfect if it doesn't.

The AP is a tautology as is every justification your beliefs, which are also tautologies. You are justifying tautologies with other tautologies.

You are confused. While there is light, there will be life.


Regards
DL

 

[skyblue]

I know its like in the newspaper they say we haven't been to mars.. they are idiots, I watched this one documentary where we were all over the universe and there's like aliens and stuff with acid for blood. I think the media is in denial of these horrid monstrous abominations

and that vader blokes a bastard:nod:

 

[Greatest I am]

and that vader blokes a bastard:nod:

Nah. He fits in quite nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9sJVJMiYM&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

 

[alice in chains]

I don't understand why y'all keep saying he's a troll. It seems to me he's always been willing to discuss, and just because he APPARENTLY doesn't discuss or respond the way you all would like him to, y'all come to the conclusion that he's a troll.

I've seen alot of people insulting him, and he insults noone in return. So clearly this is a case of idiocy and mob rules in reality and logical and fair thinking has flown out the window.

Thinking about the comments he posts is alot more affective and trying to realize the conversation rather than spouting troll accusations when in reality, he doesn't have any troll traits.

$500 dollars says this post will go in one ear and out the other, but might as well try to make sense to someone.

 

[Panacea]

^Nah, I agree completely. I get the sense there may be a language barrier a bit as well, though I am not sure because I don't know him, but he did mention speaking multiple languages at one point.

 

[HK]

I'm not even sure which one we're talking about.

 

[Panacea]

The guy with the snake from Jungle Book for an avatar who starts a majority of the religion threads and posts a lot of youtube videos in them and always signs with "Regards, DL".

If that's what you meant lol

 

[HK]

Oh him!

Well to be absolutely fair, he isn't 100% the innocent soul that Alice is trying to make out. I wouldn't call him a troll but he's been personally insulting to several people before, including myself, when discussions get heated, so let's not go saying the guy is any better than the rest of us.

Maybe he hasn't insulted anyone in this specific thread (I really can't be bothered to go back and check) but he's certainly done it elsewhere. I'm sure he can take care of himself just fine.

 

[Panacea]

Oh him!

Well to be absolutely fair, he isn't 100% the innocent soul that Alice is trying to make out. I wouldn't call him a troll but he's been personally insulting to several people before, including myself, when discussions get heated, so let's not go saying the guy is any better than the rest of us.

Maybe he hasn't insulted anyone in this specific thread (I really can't be bothered to go back and check) but he's certainly done it elsewhere. I'm sure he can take care of himself just fine.

Ya, I have seen it, usually a snarky tone of insult that flies a bit under the radar
Guess I just felt bad for him when someone called him a fucking retard I forgot it comes back the other way.

 

[BornReady]

Guess I just felt bad for him when someone called him a fucking retard I forgot it comes back the other way.

The member who called GIA that probably thinks everyone on OTZ is a fucking retard. Actually GIA is quite bright. Although HK may be correct that English is not his first language. Nothing wrong with that though.

I have seen GIA insult other members but it's always been tit for tat that I remember. I can't imagine HK being insulting so I don't know what happened there.

GIA is not slow to insult beliefs that he considers stupid. He's not one of those "we're all right so let's just have a group hug" sort of person. His gruffness has made him some enemies on OTZ.

Overall, I like the guy. He's not bad for a theist.

 

[Panacea]

The member who called GIA that probably thinks everyone on OTZ is a fucking retard. Actually GIA is quite bright. Although HK may be correct that English is not his first language. Nothing wrong with that though.

I have seen GIA insult other members but it's always been tit for tat that I remember. I can't imagine HK being insulting so I don't know what happened there.

GIA is not slow to insult beliefs that he considers stupid. He's not one of those "we're all right so let's just have a group hug" sort of person. His gruffness has made him some enemies on OTZ.

Overall, I like the guy. He's not bad for a theist.

Lol yaa, I think you may be right. That was a low blow. :eek
It was me who said that hehe, I just sense that may be why some think his demeanor is off...that can happen when english is not the first language.

I agree!