Happy Birthday America!

[alleycat]

woooo yay. food.

Im going to play stupid and assume she is excited for food to celebrate the holiday and not how I took it the first time. Maybe I read this all wrong.

 

[alleycat]

We should be thanking the enlightenment and its great thinkers actually for our freedom. Soldiers were important, but without enlightenment era ideas this country would have never been founded on the principles it was founded on.





They died to rid themselves of oppressive British rule, not necessarily for a separate country. Most states didn't even want to be separate from the British. Those who fought in the revolutionary war were actually the minority. I'm glad they fought though. I hate tea.

LOL You are making me laugh today. Great thoughts. Really.

 

[All Else Failed]

LOL You are making me laugh today. Great thoughts. Really.

Whats to laugh at? The whole reason why the revolution even happened was because of enlightenment ideas....

 

[alleycat]

No no... See my signature!!!

I actually agree somewhat with what you said in the longer post. I was honestly saying... great thoughts!

 

[All Else Failed]

Yeah....I was being sarcastic. That picture you posted was a bit much, and I hope you really don't think that.

 

[alleycat]

of course not... but it was funny wasnt it?

 

[All Else Failed]

Meh, some people would agree with it.



If you saw me burning an American flag tomorrow, what would you do?

 

[alleycat]

Assume you must have dropped it on the ground and were doing the proper thing by burning it.

 

[All Else Failed]

Assume you must have dropped it on the ground and were doing the proper thing by burning it.

Well, what if I burned it to symbolize my wide freedoms of free speech? Not as a sign of disrespect, but just as a demonstration that as a free person, I CAN do it.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

America isn't free, we just don't have as many limitations as we think. If we were an actual FREE country, we wouldn't have money, and we could go around killing without going to jail. We're only free to an extent.

 

[Tim]

America isn't free, we just don't have as many limitations as we think. If we were an actual FREE country, we wouldn't have money, and we could go around killing without going to jail. We're only free to an extent.

I have to disagree... when you speak of freedom not having any laws, that would be call anarchy. Anarchy deprives you of your own personal freedoms. Freedoms must be limited to protect the rights of individuals, otherwise we are not truly free.

It's a very fine balancing act that must have been hell for the founding fathers to put to paper.

 

[All Else Failed]

I have to disagree... when you speak of freedom not having any laws, that would be call anarchy. Anarchy deprives you of your own personal freedoms. Freedoms must be limited to protect the rights of individuals, otherwise we are not truly free.

It's a very fine balancing act that must have been hell for the founding fathers to put to paper.

Well, there have been anarcho societies before, mostly in Europe and if you study them there wasn't any real depriving of personal liberties.

 

[alleycat]

Well, what if I burned it to symbolize my wide freedoms of free speech? Not as a sign of disrespect, but just as a demonstration that as a free person, I CAN do it.

Then I would stand back and watch you be pummeled by the bad biker guys I ride around with ! :muscles: I dont know if you noticed but bikers dont like that too much.

 

[All Else Failed]

Then I would stand back and watch you be pummeled by the bad biker guys I ride around with ! :muscles: I dont know if you noticed but bikers dont like that too much.

That would be ironic, since they would be imposing on my first amendment right, and going directly against what they say they are patriotic about.


Plus, they would be completely missing my point for burning it.

 

[HottyToddyChick]

Well, there have been anarcho societies before, mostly in Europe and if you study them there wasn't any real depriving of personal liberties.

If America was free under your terms, then someone would find a way to rob you of your freedom. Freedoms are restricted to a degree to protect the freedoms of others.

 

[All Else Failed]

If America was free under your terms, then someone would find a way to rob you of your freedom. Freedoms are restricted to a degree to protect the freedoms of others.

They are not my terms. I was simply putting in some views.


I know that freedom has to be limited, its needed to an extent.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

They died to rid themselves of oppressive British rule, not necessarily for a separate country. Most states didn't even want to be separate from the British. Those who fought in the revolutionary war were actually the minority. I'm glad they fought though. I hate tea.

Also known as freedom from tyranny. lol

 

[IntruderLS1]

That would be ironic, since they would be imposing on my first amendment right, and going directly against what they say they are patriotic about.


Plus, they would be completely missing my point for burning it.

Yes but to be fair, you defending yourself would be robbing them of their freedom to express their unhappieness by stomping you into the ground. Sooo.... Who's the bigger hypocrite here?

 

[All Else Failed]

Yes but to be fair, you defending yourself would be robbing them of their freedom to express their unhappieness by stomping you into the ground. Sooo.... Who's the bigger hypocrite here?

Except they don't have any "freedom" to assault anyone, so what you just said is nonsense.

 

[GuesSAngel]

guys why don't you start a debate on this in the right forum? I think we ruined her thread enough.