Gun registration?

[Johnfromokc]

Ahhh ... now we are getting into that territory of the age old question ...

"Are people smart enough to have less government in their lives?"

Ask a citizen of Somalia.

 

[Mercury]

Ask a citizen of Somalia.

Heheh ..... yeah really

 

[Kyle B]

Very true!

... but there has always been a debate on whether government should have more or less power based on the intelligence of the society.

Are people intelligent enough to govern themselves most of the time or should there be more laws and legislation that governs the people more strictly?

That is where I was going....

Essentially, this is where the debate for stricter gun control lies. Is the U.S. society intelligent and capable enough to have lean or strict regulation when it comes to gun control?

Yea, I saw where you were going. But does the government truly know what's best for everyone? Politicians can be as stupid or smart as the rest of us. They're are plenty of real smart people in society inventing new things and saving lives etc. Then there are also dumb people in Washington being swayed by interest groups.

Governments are comprised of wealthy individuals who want us to listen to them.....I thought they were supposed to be employees tasked with listening to the rest of us.

Exactly my case in point. Do you want them to have even more power over you?

 

[Mercury]

Yea, I saw where you were going. But does the government truly know what's best for everyone? Politicians can be as stupid or smart as the rest of us. They're are plenty of real smart people in society inventing new things and saving lives etc. Then there are also dumb people in Washington being swayed by interest groups.

Ahhh, okay. Yes, an excellent point for sure. :thumbup

 

[Jackass master]

I sure don't want folks who can't balance a budget tell me how to handle myself or my weapons.

 

[Minor Axis]

Aura Colorado Shooting, Approx 70 victims

Suspected Colorado movie theater gunman James Holmes purchased four guns at local shops and more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition on the Internet in the past 60 days, Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates told a news conference this evening.
"All the ammunition he possessed, he possessed legally, all the weapons he possessed, he possessed legally, all the clips he possessed, he possessed legally," an emotional Oates said.
The chief declined to say whether the weapons were automatic or semi-automatic, but "he could have gotten off 50 to 60 rounds, even if it was semi-automatic, within one minute," Oates said.

This event has placed some doubt on my anti-death penalty position. In the past, based on the statistics of those incorrectly found guilty of murder and sentenced to death I have been against it, but I'm starting to think that when there is no doubt, a re-do (death) might be the answer.

But then my wife suggests that death is too easy, these people should not be killed, but made to suffer for the remainder of their miserable lives. I don't know. I'm trying to consider this concept of death punishment as a valid response.

 

[porterjack]

Seeing as how Homes bought all of the guns and anmo legally i question whether such large purchases in a relatively short time frame might need Police approval
I dont know what kind of background checks are done, i know some were done

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Exactly what would mandantory registration prevent tim?

Will it prevent crime? Gun violence?

No

 

[HK]

Will it prevent crime? Gun violence?

No

There's nothing that will ever permanently wipe these things off the planet. But that doesn't mean inactivity is therefore the only option. Gun registration sounds like a great idea to me - yes, people will still get guns illegally, but it doesn't hurt to make things more difficult for them.


If people who genuinely want guns for safety purposes (though personally I don't agree with this, I know it's an important right for some people) want them, then there's no reason they shouldn't have them if they can get through things like registration and background checks. So it makes it slightly more difficult for you (the universal you, not you personally) to obtain a gun - I don't think it's such a high price to pay for also making it more likely that people who shouldn't be allowed guns are prevented from getting them.

 

[Tim]

Just because a tragedy like this wouldn't have been prevented by gun registration doesn't mean it's not a valid concept.

We require all people who drive on the road to have a drivers license. It doesn't prevent many deaths on the road each year but it does make the roads much safer. Why not argue that since people still die in traffic accidents every day, we should no longer require people to pass a drivers exam and be properly licensed?

 

[HK]

Why not argue that since people still die in traffic accidents every day, we should no longer require people to pass a drivers exam and be properly licensed?

This is exactly what I was trying to get across. Nothing is a foolproof method for preventing deaths. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking at options to make things safer anyway.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Just because a tragedy like this wouldn't have been prevented by gun registration doesn't mean it's not a valid concept.

We require all people who drive on the road to have a drivers license. It doesn't prevent many deaths on the road each year but it does make the roads much safer. Why not argue that since people still die in traffic accidents every day, we should no longer require people to pass a drivers exam and be properly licensed?

And we pay two taxes on each vehicle every year too

So yeah we need more of that. Glad I live in a state where you dont have to get approval from the authorities for everything. Hell what we really need it to require a permit to have kids :thumbup:

That would actually help more. Why does the government need to know everything I have in my gun safe? I had to test to conceal carry, so there

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

This is exactly what I was trying to get across. Nothing is a foolproof method for preventing deaths. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking at options to make things safer anyway.

You dont make things safer. You simply legislate the law abiding.

Psychopaths and common criminals dont suffer from lack of handgun training...

Do yall even think this stuff through?

Drunk driving kills more motorists.than any other vehicle accident. Number one rule we're taught, dont drink and drive. Oh and its.against the law too!!!

 

[HK]

So you don't think deaths caused by road accidents would rise if we just said 'fuck it, people are going to die on the roads anyway, why spend all this time and money on making everyone get a license?'


Should we really have the attitude that just because a minority will always ignore the law, we shouldn't bother to even try and have regulations in those areas at all?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

So you don't think deaths caused by road accidents would rise if we just said 'fuck it, people are going to die on the roads anyway, why spend all this time and money on making everyone get a license?'


Should we really have the attitude that just because a minority will always ignore the law, we shouldn't bother to even try and have regulations in those areas at all?

liscensing doesnt prevent accidents.
Training helps. Yet people still choose to get behind the wheel and drive drunk? What do we outlaw? Cars or booze?

We also have people in our state illegally that have no liscense, no insurance and I promise no sense when it comes to.driving.

Should we continue to teach those who want to obey the law. Yes.
But that person wont stop the drunk driver that just swerved in thier lane

So yeah...sure make it mandantory that everyone registers thier weapons. Criminals still wont. And If holmes had registered weapons which he did btw and training would it have saved one life?

No....

 

[Francis]

So yeah we need more of that. Glad I live in a state where you dont have to get approval from the authorities for everything. Hell what we really need it to require a permit to have kids :thumbup:

You're child Birth Certificate is their registrations so you do register your kids..

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

You're child Birth Certificate is their registrations so you do register your kids..

I said permit to have them

Some parents should never be parents...

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

And Holmes bought weapons sold to him by an FFL with a seller/reseller code meaning that by Federal law, the weapons sold by law had to be documented and registered.

 

[Accountable]

I like the idea of the gov't not knowing how many guns are out there or who has them. Keeps 'em nervous. It's good that the gov't fear the people rather than the other way around.

 

[redliner]

If you want something your going to get it. If you want something to do harm your going to get it though any means. Registering a gun does not stop them from pulling the trigger for no reason.