guess who got some fannie mae monies?

[Wookiegirl]

Wookie the point Tim had been trying to make is that the money Obama received for donations came from Fannie Mae employees' personal accounts, not the Fannie Mae corporate account.

These donations were from the private individuals who worked for Fannie Mae, even if the CEO donated money, it was from his personal account, not the corporate account.

yeah, and i totally agreed to that point.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Here new thread to go politically south with.

http://www.offtopicz.net/35418-political-military-blunders.html

 

[Tim]

Or you could talk about Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines, both former Fannie CEO's involved with Obama's campaign. :dunno Which shows exactly why you can't blame just one party for the crap going on with our economy today.

The Facts

The McCain video attempts to link Obama to Franklin Raines, the former CEO of the bankrupt mortgage giant, Fannie Mae, who also happens to be African American. It then shows a photograph of an elderly white woman taxpayer who has supposedly been "stuck with the bill" as a result of the "extensive financial fraud" at Fannie Mae.
The Obama campaign last night issued a statement by Raines insisting, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters." Obama spokesman Bill Burton went a little further, telling me in an e-mail that the campaign had "neither sought nor received" advice from Raines "on any matter."
So what evidence does the McCain campaign have for the supposed Obama-Raines connection? It is pretty flimsy, but it is not made up completely out of whole cloth. McCain spokesman Brian Rogers points to three items in the Washington Post in July and August. It turns out that the three items (including an editorial) all rely on the same single conversation, between Raines and a Washington Post business reporter, Anita Huslin, who wrote a profile of the discredited Fannie Mae boss that appeared on July 16. The profile reported that Raines, who retired from Fannie Mae four years ago, had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."
Since this has now become a campaign issue, I asked Huslin to provide the exact circumstances of the quote. She explained that she was chatting with Raines during the photo shoot, and asked "if he was engaged at all with the Democrats' quest for the White House. He said that he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign. I asked him about what, and he said 'oh, general housing, economy issues.' ('Not mortgage/foreclosure meltdown or Fannie-specific,' I asked, and he said 'no.')"
By Raines's own account, he took a couple of calls from someone on the Obama campaign, and they had some general discussions about economic issues. I have asked both Raines and the Obama people for more details on these calls and will let you know if I receive a reply.
The Pinocchio Test

The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Franklin Raines as a close adviser to Obama on "housing and mortgage policy." If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign. But that hardly makes him an adviser to the candidate himself -- and certainly not in the way depicted in the McCain video release.

 

[dt3]

The Facts

The McCain video attempts to link Obama to Franklin Raines, the former CEO of the bankrupt mortgage giant, Fannie Mae, who also happens to be African American. It then shows a photograph of an elderly white woman taxpayer who has supposedly been "stuck with the bill" as a result of the "extensive financial fraud" at Fannie Mae.
The Obama campaign last night issued a statement by Raines insisting, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters." Obama spokesman Bill Burton went a little further, telling me in an e-mail that the campaign had "neither sought nor received" advice from Raines "on any matter."
So what evidence does the McCain campaign have for the supposed Obama-Raines connection? It is pretty flimsy, but it is not made up completely out of whole cloth. McCain spokesman Brian Rogers points to three items in the Washington Post in July and August. It turns out that the three items (including an editorial) all rely on the same single conversation, between Raines and a Washington Post business reporter, Anita Huslin, who wrote a profile of the discredited Fannie Mae boss that appeared on July 16. The profile reported that Raines, who retired from Fannie Mae four years ago, had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."
Since this has now become a campaign issue, I asked Huslin to provide the exact circumstances of the quote. She explained that she was chatting with Raines during the photo shoot, and asked "if he was engaged at all with the Democrats' quest for the White House. He said that he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign. I asked him about what, and he said 'oh, general housing, economy issues.' ('Not mortgage/foreclosure meltdown or Fannie-specific,' I asked, and he said 'no.')"
By Raines's own account, he took a couple of calls from someone on the Obama campaign, and they had some general discussions about economic issues. I have asked both Raines and the Obama people for more details on these calls and will let you know if I receive a reply.
The Pinocchio Test

The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Franklin Raines as a close adviser to Obama on "housing and mortgage policy." If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign. But that hardly makes him an adviser to the candidate himself -- and certainly not in the way depicted in the McCain video release.

So the moral of this is that the Washington Post isn't a credible source? Because that's where I was getting the info from :dunno

 

[Tim]

So the moral of this is that the Washington Post isn't a credible source? Because that's where I was getting the info from :dunno

The moral is... fact checking is your friend. I don't care if it's the Washington post, NY Times, BBC, or FOX... none of them are "real" news sources anymore. Hell, I don't know if I can think of ANY "real" news source.

Have you checked out PolitiFact.com yet? It's a pretty good site for getting to the truth... or at least it points you in the right direction of it.

 

[dt3]

The moral is... fact checking is your friend. I don't care if it's the Washington post, NY Times, BBC, or FOX... none of them are "real" news sources anymore. Hell, I don't know if I can think of ANY "real" news source.

Have you checked out PolitiFact.com yet? It's a pretty good site for getting to the truth... or at least it points you in the right direction of it.

That's a real interesting site Tim, thanks

 

[Tim]

That's a real interesting site Tim, thanks

AND... it's not a partisan site. Us flaming liberals and you homo conservatives can all go there together.



:24:

:jk

 

[Strauss]

When you donate to any candidate or political party, you must state your employment. But they are individuals that are donating, not the company. So when you say that Fannie Mae donated to the democrats, you are not correct. It was the employees that did. Big difference.

Do you honestly think it's the officials that donated here? Only a few gave the maximum amount and the majority of donations are $50.... sounds like a bunch of supporters to me, not some conspiracy...

I guess its just a coincidence that all these donations occurred around the time these employees were being evaluated for their annual raise.

If you don't think that there was an unstated expectation of a voluntary donation to the Democrat Party in the Fannie Mae culture then you are deluding yourself.

 

[Wookiegirl]

I guess its just a coincidence that all these donations occurred around the time these employees were being evaluated for their annual raise.

If you don't think that there was an unstated expectation of a voluntary donation to the Democrat Party in the Fannie Mae culture then you are deluding yourself.

i totally tried to rep you
i have given too much rep to you
but damn
i think i love you
:homo:

 

[Strauss]

i totally tried to rep you
i have given too much rep to you
but damn
i think i love you
:homo:

I don't understand all this "rep" stuff; I guess I should take the time and read what is posted on the site. I also understand from catching snippets of posts that there are "special" threads or areas that you have to be approved to see.

Me I just come here to poke liberals in the eyes....speaking of which where is Minor? I feel like poking.

 

[Wookiegirl]

i'm not a liberal
nor a conservative
i'm a tin foil wearing asshole
but he's here somewhere i'm sure

 

[Alien Allen]

both of them are dirty
the only politician who could have saved this country from where it's headed is Ron Paul
google what he said about our economy a few months back.
i'm sure it's there somewhere in yer legit news sources
:thumbdown

I loved Ron Pauls knowledge of the government....It was the whole spaceship thing that mebbeh turned him a little strange:ninja


I mean come the fuck on, you don't get that far in your political career and start talking about spaceships and shit:mad

If Ron Paul had any charisma

I mean aannnnyyyy

He would beat anybody hands down.

We are ready for a libertarian which is what he really is.

But people bought into him being a loon

 

[Alien Allen]

I guess its just a coincidence that all these donations occurred around the time these employees were being evaluated for their annual raise.

If you don't think that there was an unstated expectation of a voluntary donation to the Democrat Party in the Fannie Mae culture then you are deluding yourself.

Now that is blasphemy

Them Ivory White Pure as snow liberals would never pull that shit.