God sins a lot but is there no end to God’s greed?

[Niamh]

The rule is one who lays the allegation is bound to prove it! so, prove!

lmao I thought this was common knowledge tbh

http://bible.cc/luke/1-27.htm

but to be fair I think it's all a load of rubbish anyway, I don't really care if she was engaged or not and I certainly don't believe she was a virgin!

 

[mazHur]

Engagement is not being married, is Prince William married to Kate?

Good hit back! :thumbup

 

[mazHur]

lmao I thought this was common knowledge tbh

http://bible.cc/luke/1-27.htm

but to be fair I think it's all a load of rubbish anyway, I don't really care if she was engaged or not and I certainly don't believe she was a virgin!

how naive of someone to allege that without proof when billions believe in the Immaculate Conception!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lb-YKADCkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVmNal-JcY


The Virgin Mary and Islam

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  The Virgin Mary and Islam (Part 4 of 5)
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  The Virgin Mary and Islam (Part 5 of 5)
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  The Virgin Mary and Islam (Part 2 of 5)

by MG67N | 5 videos

 

[Niamh]

how naive of someone to allege that without proof when billions believe in the Immaculate Conception!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lb-YKADCkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVmNal-JcY


The Virgin Mary and Islam

• 
  The Virgin Mary and Islam (Part 4 of 5)
• 
  The Virgin Mary and Islam (Part 5 of 5)
• 
  The Virgin Mary and Islam (Part 2 of 5)

by MG67N | 5 videos

Here's my proof...................she was PREGNANT!

 

[Niamh]

and LOL at you calling me Naive

 

[Defiant Tuesday]

God sins a lot but is there no end to God’s greed?

"Jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sado-masochistic, capriciously malevolent bully" - Richard Dawkins.


Dawkins has listed a few of the --qualities-- that he has gleaned from reading scriptures.

He seems to have forgotten God’s main sin though, that of greed and coveting.

God, in his greed, wants or more rightly said, demands, that we love, honor, and obey him and repent for sinning against him when in reality, man can only sins against man.
Any that dare not give all that he greedily covets is punished quite severely. This shows the depth of his greed. Scripture is surely on the mark when it says that he is a jealous God and God live up to this label quite well. Scripture also says that we are to try to be as perfect as God and that would mean having all the immoral attributes shown here.

Most, including the pope and other main line religions hierarchies believe in evolution. Evolution tells us that God, if he exists at all and that is not really a proven fact, would have lived may years before creating mankind. Most think that God is and always has been perfect and never changing.
In the beginning there would only have been God. No one or anything to be jealous of.
Nothing to covet, no one to control etc.

If Dawkins list has some accuracy in it and I am told by theists that it does, where did these attributes come from. They all seem so human that one would think that a God would be above such petty and immoral attributes.

One would think that a good God would only have good attributes but as we know, he cannot or will not follow his own commandments.

A human law maker is expected to follow the law and we see this as good morals yet theist follow a God who is acting less moral than men.

Strange.

How then did he suddenly become so jealous and greedy?

Even to the point of coveting another man’s woman, Mary.

Are there no commandments worthy of him following?

Are we to follow a law maker who does not follow his own laws?

Regards
DL

God does NOT DEMAND that we love, honor, and obey him and repent for sinning against him. It's a choice.
It's called free will.

2 Nephi 2:27--Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all
things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free
to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all
men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and
power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable
like unto himself.

Your statement: Any that dare not give all that he greedily covets is punished quite severely. This shows the depth of his greed.

Cannot be farther then the truth because the truth is about love. He does not condemn or punish those who do not give to him. It's a choice. Stated in the above verse as well as the below verse.

1 John 3:16-19 — “This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence ...”


A jealous God?
We do not read very far in the Bible before we hear God saying, “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5)
The root idea in the Old Testament word jealous is to become intensely red. It seems to refer to the changing color of the face or the rising heat of the emotions which are associated with intense zeal or fervor over something dear to us. In fact, both the Old and New Testament words for jealousy are also translated “zeal.” Being jealous and being zealous are essentially the same thing in the Bible. God is zealous—eager about protecting what is precious to Him.

 

[Tuffdisc]

God does NOT DEMAND that we love, honor, and obey him and repent for sinning against him. It's a choice.
It's called free will.

2 Nephi 2:27--Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all
things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free
to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all
men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and
power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable
like unto himself.

Your statement: Any that dare not give all that he greedily covets is punished quite severely. This shows the depth of his greed.

Cannot be farther then the truth because the truth is about love. He does not condemn or punish those who do not give to him. It's a choice. Stated in the above verse as well as the below verse.

1 John 3:16-19 — “This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence ...”


A jealous God?
We do not read very far in the Bible before we hear God saying, “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5)
The root idea in the Old Testament word jealous is to become intensely red. It seems to refer to the changing color of the face or the rising heat of the emotions which are associated with intense zeal or fervor over something dear to us. In fact, both the Old and New Testament words for jealousy are also translated “zeal.” Being jealous and being zealous are essentially the same thing in the Bible. God is zealous—eager about protecting what is precious to Him.

Oh wait until he calls you a child and tells you to move on :24:

 

[Defiant Tuesday]

Oh wait until he calls you a child and tells you to move on :24:

Psshh..... Yeah move on into the pearly gates

 

[Peter Parka]

Engagement is not being married, is Prince William married to Kate?

I answered that. You should probably read ALL my post.

I thought Mary was engaged to Joseph which back then in that culture was as good as being married.

 

[BornReady]

It makes alot more sense but as I'm far as I'm concerned, the rule of if you believe in him and worship him was a man made idea by the church to control the masses

I agree. If religion was God made then the religions of various cultures would not be so different imo.

 

[hart]

If God is God he doesn't sin.

 

[Dana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4CRkpBGQzU

 

[mazHur]

it is Men who altered religions (and the word of God) to suit their vested interests.

 

[Minor Axis]

it is Men who altered religions (and the word of God) to suit their vested interests.

Is any religion exempt from this statement or all they all guilty?

 

[mazHur]

Is any religion exempt from this statement or all they all guilty?

Bible, Torah and Talmud are evidently modified.
Geeta has been too...
Ramayana as well.

The BOOK which has NOT undergone any change, whatsoever, for more than 1400 years is only the Quran!

 

[Niamh]

Bible, Torah and Talmud are evidently modified.
Geeta has been too...
Ramayana as well.

The BOOK which has NOT undergone any change, whatsoever, for more than 1400 years is only the Quran!

all were still written by man.

 

[Minor Axis]

Bible, Torah and Talmud are evidently modified.
Geeta has been too...
Ramayana as well.

The BOOK which has NOT undergone any change, whatsoever, for more than 1400 years is only the Quran!

So no change in the Quran means what regarding authenticity? Is it more authentic because it has not been changed or does the fact that all of these books have been written by man play into it at all? I predict your answer is going to be very predictable.

 

[mazHur]

all were still written by man.

Why don't you ponder on the fact that not a single coma, semi-colon or a letter has been changed in the Quran by any one? Those you call it a work of a human being could never come up with even a copy of any of its chapter. That's what the Quran's challenge is about....

 

[sexysadie]

That would make more sense than what many Christians teach. Many Christians think those who believe in Jesus go to heaven and the rest go to hell. Your actions aren't really important. It's all about belief. Many modern Christians have seen the folly in this but Fundamentalists are still clinging to tradition.

I emphasize that sending people to hell on the basis of their actions makes more sense than sending them there on the basis of their belief. But it doesn't make sense to send people to hell at all. Why create people only to torture them? I doubt anyone is so bad he can't be rehabilitated. But you don't rehabilitate someone with torture. And if he can't be rehabilitated then God should annihilate him, not torture him.

God didn't create Hell to punish sinners, Hell is merely the natural result of death.....God created a solution....we either accept His solution or deny it.....its our decision to make. So you see, people do not “go to hell” because of their religion, race, sexual orientation etc, they “go to hell” because that is the state they were born in, except they accept The Solution of a loving Father. And furthermore, God DOES try to rehabilitate.....it's just that some of us refuse to listen.

 

[sexysadie]

So no change in the Quran means what regarding authenticity? Is it more authentic because it has not been changed or does the fact that all of these books have been written by man play into it at all? I predict your answer is going to be very predictable.

Albeit, not AS predictable as yours