Man is more responsible than God as a parent? I guess you haven't heard the news that parents rape, kill and leave them starving?
God should bow to man for we are better parents than he is.
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Man is more responsible than God as a parent? I guess you haven't heard the news that parents rape, kill and leave them starving?
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Have you changed your premise? Stop pretending this is what you are saying. You are distorting scriptures in order to back up your delusions.
You still haven't shown how you came to this conclusion. Stop preaching your opinion and prove your point.
If you believe the bible then you MUST believe that god is a mass murderer of innocent people.
Hell, just look at the Flood. God killed every man woman and child on the planet, except for one family.
How many newborn's do you think filled their tiny lungs with water as the flood arrived? How many toddlers?
Were these millions of children innocent? Was it right to cause their suffering and death?
I don't care what ANY newborn is guilty of, I, as a parent would NEVER condone their death, let alone kill them by my own hand.
The bible indicates the entire society had became corrupt except Noah and his family. What was left to do but to start over? Do you not believe that an entire society can become corrupt?
As far as children go in some societies children have been taught to hate and even kill from an early age. They are taught this by the very society they were born into. What hope would a future society have with children like these? What kind of an adult would they grow into?
The innocent babies? If all adults were killed how would they survive? They wouldn't. They would not only die but they would suffer as well. If you know the bible like you say you do then you also know about accountability and that babies and young children are not held accountable for sin and would go to heaven.
I don't understand holding God to human standards of justice. If He is the creator of the universe and an eternal being that knows what exists beyond our lives why is he supposed to value human life as humans do?
Humans don't know anything beyond our own existence. As far as we know our life is all there is. That makes it very precious to us. Think about that the next time you swat a fly because doesn't that make you a murderer?
A literal interpretation of Noah's Ark is the wrong approach to the story. We should set aside the issue of whether God is justified (if he didn't do it then he doesn't need a justification). The ancient Hebrew mind did not dwell on such matters. They saw natural disasters and had little choice but to attribute them to God's wrath. The question of whether God was justified didn't come up. (Although Job tried to deal with the subject but rather poorly.) Instead, let's look at the story from Noah's perspective. There is a man of courage and conviction. All the people thought him a fool but he didn't quit. He did what he thought was right. There's something to take away from the story providing you realize stories of this sort use exaggeration. In reality, if everyone you know thinks you're crazy then you should consider the possibility that you might be. 
Minor Axis
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The point here is that there is no evidence that God does anything equivalent to what a good human parent does. The key word is "good". Calling an imagined God a parent of the human race, would mean it functions like a human parent, not a deity that resides above and away from us. Call it a God, not a parent.
Yeah, that "heavenly Father" thing really confuses some people!
Greatest I am
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And your God has others smash their head against stones to insure their death.
Who is more moral?
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Greatest I am
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I reach my conclusion by following the time line in the myth.
Who did Eve turn to just after gaining her moral sense? Adam or God?
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DL
I see now. You use the timeline as a base then create the rest of your story on your own.
Greatest I am
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You have proven nothing. Your question remains false.
Greatest I am
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Now you are just being stupid.
Questions cannot be false. They di hot hold anything but a question.
Now I just pity your foolishness.
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DL
Wrong again GIA.
Minor Axis
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Questions can be false, really?
Minor Axis
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However the big "BUT" is that Noah's Arc in religious circles is about much more than a story of a man of conviction. It tells of a man who follows Gods command and facilitates the saving of a bunch of animals and his immediate family so God can wipe out ALL the bad apples in the human race. Really? Wipe out the entire human race? There were no decent people around? And God could not just use his divine powers to snatch up the bad apples instead of FLOODING THE ENTIRE EARTH AND WIPING OUT ENTIRE ECO SYSTEMS?? Lordy! BTW, based on this story who thinks GOD is smart instead of a BIG BUMBLER? I've asked before but are we all descended from Noah's kids?A literal interpretation of Noah's Ark is the wrong approach to the story. We should set aside the issue of whether God is justified (if he didn't do it then he doesn't need a justification). The ancient Hebrew mind did not dwell on such matters. They saw natural disasters and had little choice but to attribute them to God's wrath. The question of whether God was justified didn't come up. (Although Job tried to deal with the subject but rather poorly.) Instead, let's look at the story from Noah's perspective. There is a man of courage and conviction. All the people thought him a fool but he didn't quit. He did what he thought was right. There's something to take away from the story providing you realize stories of this sort use exaggeration. In reality, if everyone you know thinks you're crazy then you should consider the possibility that you might be.
The lessons to be learned from Noah is no different than the reading a fiction novel and then attributing the outcome to God's work. If anyone needs to freshen up on the details of Noah's ark, see this fascinating read: Noah's Ark Truth or Myth written by a Christian. The perfect illustration of the religious mind at work. After all of the reasons he lists why the story of NA is improbable, the author concludes he believes it because it is written in his Bible:
What is the lesson to be learned from this story that will help the average person in their lives?
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lol I did the best I could with it. The story wasn't about God. It was about Noah. Trying to divine some truth about God from the story is doomed to fail. You are correct. The God in the story is a maniac. But the idea God should be nice is a recent idea. It was a given back then that God was vengeful, unreasonable, brutal, etc. How else did they explain all the suffering and natural disasters around them?
Why is Minor Axis desperately wanting to learn more about the bible?
Minor Axis
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I grew up with the Bible and that's a huge assumption on your part. Just because you've all ready made up your mind does not mean we all have. And don't you know it is a duty for all open minded people to weigh all of the possibilities?
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