God should bow to man for we are better parents than he is.

[doombug]

I grew up with the Bible and that's a huge assumption on your part. Just because you've all ready made up your mind does not mean we all have. And don't you know it is a duty for all open minded people to weigh all of the possibilities?

Of course, this is one reason I question Atheists and Agnostics, the ones who are sincere that is. All I see from those here is just nonsense. Only a few are actually open minded enough to have a discussion the rest are just here to bash Christians.

 

[Minor Axis]

Of course, this is one reason I question Atheists and Agnostics, the ones who are sincere that is. All I see from those here is just nonsense. Only a few are actually open minded enough to have a discussion the rest are just here to bash Christians.

Your position appears to be only the stuff you believe in makes sense. You are a practicing Christian right?

 

[Tim]

Of course, this is one reason I question Atheists and Agnostics, the ones who are sincere that is. All I see from those here is just nonsense. Only a few are actually open minded enough to have a discussion the rest are just here to bash Christians.

So show me, an atheist, one instance where I am "closed minded"

 

[doombug]

Your position appears to be only the stuff you believe in makes sense. You are a practicing Christian right?

I've never claimed to be a Christian. I have explained my position before. You know this.

 

[doombug]

So show me, an atheist, one instance where I am "closed minded"

How do you think the universe was created or if it was created?

What is your opinion of the Big Bang Theory?(not the TV show)

 

[Tim]

How do you think the universe was created or if it was created?

What is your opinion of the Big Bang Theory?(not the TV show)

As far as the creation of the universe... I would say that I lean towards the big bang theory, it seems the most likely today. But the more I read about membranes and string theory, the more intrigued I become.
There are a lot of good books and theories to sift through, it's a very complicated question to which we may never know the answer. I can only align myself with the most likely theory until more is know or discovered.

 

[doombug]

As far as the creation of the universe... I would say that I lean towards the big bang theory, it seems the most likely today. But the more I read about membranes and string theory, the more intrigued I become.
There are a lot of good books and theories to sift through, it's a very complicated question to which we may never know the answer. I can only align myself with the most likely theory until more is know or discovered.

The BB theory is widely accepted in science. You can look at the money spent on research and see such things as the Planck Spacecraft and other projects that are being undertaken to investigate the Big Bang. There is more observational evidence to show this idea as valid above others. The fact that our universe is expanding proves the BB theory as valid.

Biological membrane theory has too many problems with chemistry to be valid.

 

[BornReady]

Biological membrane theory has too many problems with chemistry to be valid.

I think Tim was referring to M-theory. What is biological membrane theory?

The problem I have with M-theory is it's theoretical instead of empirical. When that happens we're on slippery footing. It's an interesting idea though. So I'm curious to see what comes of it.

 

[doombug]

I thought he was referring to Abiogenesis theories on the origin of life. M-Theory is really an extension of String Theory.

 

[Tim]

I thought he was referring to Abiogenesis theories on the origin of life. M-Theory is really an extension of String Theory.

Actually M-theory is an attempt to unify the 5 different string theories. It was thought that the 5 different string theories were related yet were too different to be unified under a single string theory.
I became interested in M-theory when I heard that could explain the creation of the universe. That when two membranes collided, it would create the big bang as we understand it today. Everything exploding out of a singe point...

It's actually very in depth and complicated. There are several good books and shows that do a very good job of explaining it in detail, I suggest you start there.

 

[darkcgi]

can we delete this thread

 

[Tim]

can we delete this thread

Here's an idea... If you don't like the thread, then stay the hell out of it. Quite simple really.

 

[darkcgi]

oh did i piss you off

 

[Tim]

oh did i piss you off

Hell no... I haven't been pissed off in a forum in years. Not worth getting emotional over people bent on posting crap to get an emotional response

 

[darkcgi]

sounds great nice job

 

[doombug]

Actually M-theory is an attempt to unify the 5 different string theories. It was thought that the 5 different string theories were related yet were too different to be unified under a single string theory.
I became interested in M-theory when I heard that could explain the creation of the universe. That when two membranes collided, it would create the big bang as we understand it today. Everything exploding out of a singe point...

It's actually very in depth and complicated. There are several good books and shows that do a very good job of explaining it in detail, I suggest you start there.

The reason I thought you were talking about something other than M-Theory is that I really don't see an Atheist believing in it. It is not complete as far as being able to prove and would require quite a leap of faith to believe or even acknowledge. I didn't think Atheists thought like that.

 

[Tim]

The reason I thought you were talking about something other than M-Theory is that I really don't see an Atheist believing in it. It is not complete as far as being able to prove and would require quite a leap of faith to believe or even acknowledge. I didn't think Atheists thought like that.

Being an atheist only means I do not believe in a supreme being.

But I think we are not that far apart in our beliefs...
Think about it, do you believe in the sun god Ra?
What about the dozens of Greek gods like Zeus or Apollo?
There are thousands of gods that people have believed in since the beginning of time, how many of them do YOU believe in to be true?

The difference between you and me is that I don't believe in any of them and you seem to only believe in 1 of those thousands.

So why is it wrong for an atheist to not believe in 1200 gods and theists are right to believe in 1 god while denouncing 1199 gods?

Just something to think about

 

[doombug]

Being an atheist only means I do not believe in a supreme being.

But I think we are not that far apart in our beliefs...
Think about it, do you believe in the sun god Ra?
What about the dozens of Greek gods like Zeus or Apollo?
There are thousands of gods that people have believed in since the beginning of time, how many of them do YOU believe in to be true?

The difference between you and me is that I don't believe in any of them and you seem to only believe in 1 of those thousands.

So why is it wrong for an atheist to not believe in 1200 gods and theists are right to believe in 1 god while denouncing 1199 gods?

Just something to think about

You seem to be getting ahead of yourself but ok then. I haven't claimed to believe in anything but truth.

By the same reasoning why would an Atheist be attracted to the idea of parallel universes and membranes as a way to explain how the universe we live in was created? There are other possibilities since nothing has been proven for sure as of yet and some scientist believe M-theory has gone as far as possible in being proven.

So why don't Atheists consider ALL possibilities when it comes to the origin of our universe? Could it be they are actually closed minded?

 

[Tim]

So why don't Atheists consider ALL possibilities when it comes to the origin of our universe? Could it be they are actually closed minded?

Not at all, I do consider many possibilities. I am the first to say that I do not know how the universe was created, BUT I think that the big bang has the most potential of all the theories out there right now. I said I was interested in M-theory, but I still go with the big bang for now.

So how exactly does that make me closed minded? I'm confused by you line of reasoning.

 

[doombug]

You see there is a dilemma when it comes to Atheism. If you look at what science has discovered about our universe you will see there is much order and precision involved than what was previously thought, by science that is. Through simulations this has been scientifically proven for example:

If the universe had less gravity it would have flown apart too fast for galaxies to form.More gravity and everything would be destroyed by black holes. There is just the right amount of gravity for existence. That means there is just enough matter in the universe for it to be able to exist at all.

This is an example of what science has been able to figure out about our universe. With such precision being involved in the creation of our universe I don't see how this could happen randomly or by accident. It acually suggests the Grand Design has a designer, or creator.

This is the dilemma. How can an Atheist even consider the possiibility of a creator? Perhaps deny all that science has discovered about our universe? Not really because that would be denying evidence that can be scientifically proven. Could they consider the existence of a god? That goes against the very definition of an Atheist.

I suggest Atheists convert to Agnosticism.