gay people arent born gay

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Tim

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Just because it says it on the internet does not make it true.

You're pulling this "proof" from a traditional values site... that's just as bad as pulling evidence from 9/11 conspiracy sites... They are doing nothing more than promoting their agenda on that site. I've looked it over and I didn't see ONE opposing point of view posted.
 
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FYI for those of you in this thread/discussion. I do not agree with Everybody Killa's 'tone' in this thread, so please do not get my posts confused with his. Thanks.

In the Journal of Clinical Psychology and Psychiatry it discusses how victims, even as a young age, tend to show considerable concern over their gender identity. Some research shows that boys who were sexually molested by older men were four times more likely to be engaged in homosexual activity than non-victims. There also appears to be a greater chance that boys who were molested by males would identify themselves as homosexuals than those molested by females. In counseling, kids often link their their sexual victimizations to their homosexuality.
 

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There was a study recently that NAMBLA, sadly, was all over, that man-boy relationships could be beneficial to the child under certain circumstances.

I've honestly never seen the APA pull an article so fast, but it was sound research, just verrrry misinterpreted and quickly twisted to support NAMBLA.

Anyway. The whole point of this thread was to discuss whether gay people are born gay, and I guess what it comes down to is: no one knows. I don't believe it should matter. Whether I chose to be gay or not, I still deserve the same rights and freedoms as everyone else.
 

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I do not like how pedophilia and homosexuality is lumped together all the time either. You don't see that in medical journals though unless a finding has a correlation.

I was talking about his link.

No wonder he thinks this way, if he gets his info from sources like that....ha.
 

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The whole point of this thread was to discuss whether gay people are born gay, and I guess what it comes down to is: no one knows. I don't believe it should matter. Whether I chose to be gay or not, I still deserve the same rights and freedoms as everyone else.
Well in essence we are discussing whether people are 'born gay'. We are discussing the findings of some research done in regards to the matter.

I agree with you that whether people are born gay or not, they should have equal protection and rights under government law as others.
 

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The only problem with discussing research on the matter, is that much of the research has a very similar conclusion: we don't know.
 

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Just because results are not conclusive doesn't mean the findings are any less real or important. The results do tell us things, if even only to tell us which direction to go in for further research.
 

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oh my god. this thread is so childish. for real i feel like i just stepped into a 3 ring circus...and ill be more than happy to show myself back out, thanks. Some of you need to get a grip for a minute and try to look at your motives. It almost seems like some of yall are posting JUST to piss others off.
 
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Well in essence we are discussing whether people are 'born gay'. We are discussing the findings of some research done in regards to the matter.

I agree with you that whether people are born gay or not, they should have equal protection and rights under government law as others.

As soon as religion is taken out of the laws that are written, you shall have your peace. Unfortunately, US Govt is coupled tightly with the Bible's views and thus you have an uphill battle. Thank the author.
 

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oh my god. this thread is so childish. for real i feel like i just stepped into a 3 ring circus...and ill be more than happy to show myself back out, thanks. Some of you need to get a grip for a minute and try to look at your motives. It almost seems like some of yall are posting JUST to piss others off.
I don't think it is a three ring circus. I think that everyone here has behaved well considering that all of us disagree with the opening poster's intent.
 

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Lol your only defense is the fact that my link is biased? Come on, all the good info will come from those. And they listed their SOURCES. I mean where else would i find anti gay proof? Only from anti gay sites. Because if an honorable and rspectable site posts it up Rosie Odonnel and her army of butch lesbians would trace them down and kill them!!
 

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Lol your only defense is the fact that my link is biased? Come on, all the good info will come from those. And they listed their SOURCES. I mean where else would i find anti gay proof? Only from anti gay sites. Because if an honorable and respctable site posts it up Rosie Odonnel and her army of butch lesbians would trace them down and kill them!!

Sources? You mean, sources that are just as biased as the article?

The APA is a good source. It is unbiased research, readily available, easily understood. The article quotes the APA's research, and then "disproves" it with the "National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality" (emphasis mine). Research has already shown that homosexuality is not an illness and does not need to be "cured" through therapy. I expect an organization with a name like that to be biased.

Unnecessary bias is a perfectly good reason not to trust a source. Bias distorts information and portrays it often incorrectly. I wouldn't give a gay rights website as a source, simply because I expect that you would see that information as biased and therefore "uncorrect". That's exactly what you've already done, by deciding that these "urban legends" are too biased to be true.

Actually, in fact, the main "proof" that site uses for its research is either linked off it's own site, or that same National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, which is ONE source and is obviously going to be biased.

In that article, it misquotes and removes the context from many articles that do not have an anti-homosexual tone to give the appearance of one. And proof on homosexuality from "Catholic psychiatrists"? Pleeease.

Ugh. I actually find that entire site and many of the links from it very offensive.
 
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