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EVERYBODY KILLA

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Yeah, like i said no one is born gay. Its absolute Bullshit.

One of the most persistent and culturally damaging Homosexual Urban Legends is the erroneous claim by homosexual activists that they are "born gay" or that their sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence and is fixed and unchangeable.
One or both of these urban legends has been perpetuated not only by homosexual activist groups but by prestigious organizations like the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

The American Psychological Association, for example, features a Q&A section on its web site that deals with sexual orientation. To the question, "Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?" the APA answers: "No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed."

In a follow up question, "Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?" the APA answers: "No. … The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable." Current research from professional organizations like theNational Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) dispute the APA's pro-homosexual position.

Regrettably, however, homosexuals have used this particular urban legend to fight for anti-discrimination laws and for "hate crime" laws that provide special legal protections for homosexuals not accorded to heterosexuals. They have also used this fraudulent claim to push for homosexual recruitment programs in public schools under the guise of providing "safe schools" for "homosexual" teenagers. Homosexuals have also demanded sensitivity training for those who are repelled by homosexual behavior. Currently, transgendered individuals (those who cross-dress or are undergoing sex change operations), are also now claiming to be "born transgender." Transgenders are demanding federal laws to protect them from societal disapproval. (See TVC's Special Report on this: "A Gender Identity Goes Mainstream.")

Great cultural and legal changes have taken place in our society because of this Homosexual Urban Legend-but it is slowly but surely being debunked. This is being done not only by conservative psychologists and psychiatrists, but by the admissions of homosexual researchers themselves.
Dr. Robert Spitzer, a NARTH associate, was one of the main forces behind the American Psychiatric Association's 1973 decision to remove homosexuality as a mental illness from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). Dr. Spitzer is now convinced that men and women who have a homosexual orientation can change through therapy. His most recent findings were published in Archives of Sexual Behavior (Vol. 32, No. 5, October 2003, pp. 403-417).

NARTH summarized his findings on its web site.Dr. Spitzer interviewed some 200 men and women who reported changes from homosexual to heterosexual orientation that lasted five years or longer. According to Spitzer, his findings show that "the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation."

One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a "gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found. Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."
Homosexual researchers Bailey and Pillard conducted the famous "twins study" quoted by homosexual activist groups to promote the idea that being "gay" is genetic. The study found that among those twins studied, the researchers found a rate of homosexuality of 52% (both twins homosexuals); 22% among non-identical twins; and a 9.2% rate among non-twins.
This was hailed by homosexual activists groups and by the media as supposedly proving that homosexuality is genetic. The study actually proved the opposite. As Byrd, et al, note: "This study actually provides support for environmental factors. If homosexuality were in the genetic code, all of the identical twins would have been homosexual."

In short, the three most famous studies in recent years that homosexual activists use to claim that homosexuality is genetic prove no such thing. In fact, two of the authors of these studies admit their research has not proven a genetic basis to homosexuality.

SOURCE: Exposed: Homosexual Child Molesters
 
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Which, by logic, would mean that Straight People aren't born Straight.

...or is everybody born with a "Straight" gene?
 

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Just because they can't find a gay gene doesn't mean people can't be born gay.

Perhaps its an absence of a 'straight gene' or a part of the dna that looks exactly the same under the microscope that is physically identical, but chemically altered.

Point is. This thread is offensive to me for some reason, only reason I can figure this is so is because you cannot be sure but your title is so absolute.
 

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Just because they can't find a gay gene doesn't mean people can't be born gay.

Perhaps its an absence of a 'straight gene' or a part of the dna that looks exactly the same under the microscope that is physically identical, but chemically altered.

Point is. This thread is offensive to me for some reason, only reason I can figure this is so is because you cannot be sure but your title is so absolute.

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Hey Everybody Likka, that's the funniest joke I've read on the internet today. I think you may have put it on the wrong forum, though. Keep up the good work.

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As much as I'd like to join in this discussion, I think this is going to end in a bad way. For someone with as few as posts as you have, you have opened up a can of worms on here, so prepared to be bitch slapped.
 

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Yeah, like i said no one is born gay.

The American Psychological Association, for example, features a Q&A section on its web site that deals with sexual orientation. To the question, "Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?" the APA answers: "No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed."

First off, your own post argues against what you're saying. That's as far as I read unfortunately, because this is the dumbest thread I've seen in a long time. This isn't how you spark a debate, this is how you get laughed at and ignored.
 

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Not sure what to think on this subject. Plus it could become touchy, so I am not really going to comment. To each their own I say and nothing wrong with it.
 

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As far as I know, the jury is still out on this one. No one has definitive proof one way or the other. Which leads me to the question, Why does it matter? Who is it that will benefit from this knowledge? I guess the answer will benefit science in helping them better understand genetics and it's effects. I guess it will also fuel the fire and hatred of the religious zealots who are bound and determined to convert gay sinners into "normal" people. Other than that, why is it important? Are you having homosexual thoughts that you want to find a cure for EVERYBODY KILLA? :dunno
 

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Siiiiiigh.

Honestly, I'd really like to state some points, but I have a huge feeling (and I'm probably right) that it wouldn't get us anywhere. These debates never get anywhere, and just cause a lot of hostility on both sides.

So I won't bother, and really, you shouldn't have either.
 

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I don't see why everyone is freaking out over this thread. Just because a subject is touchy doesn't mean the people talking about it have to be. touchy.

The article in the OP is legit. The point is that the APA acts like there is definitive proof of a 'gay gene' and so do some gay activists, which is simply not true. It is an urban legend as the OP states.

That being said I agree with Tim. The is no evidence that homosexuality is simply genetic. There is no evidence that is has absolutely nothing to do with genetics either. They have not ruled it out yet and are still studying it.
 

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I don't see why everyone is freaking out over this thread. Just because a subject is touchy doesn't mean the people talking about it have to be. touchy.

The article in the OP is legit. The point is that the APA acts like there is definitive proof of a 'gay gene' and so do some gay activists, which is simply not true. It is an urban legend as the OP states.

That being said I agree with Tim. The is no evidence that homosexuality is simply genetic. There is no evidence that is has absolutely nothing to do with genetics either. They have not ruled it out yet and are still studying it.

I don't think it's the subject matter that offends anyone. We've all shown a willingness to debate anything :) I think the problem is the way it was put/the attitude of the post/the history of the poster.
 

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Why are you guys talking about a "gay gene"? It doesn't have to be a gene for a person to be born gay. While in the womb developing, a imbalance of X and Y chromosomes can alter a person's sexuality.


There is also anthropological evidence that has been studied to suggest that homosexuality is a natural human state.
 

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Why are you guys talking about a "gay gene"? It doesn't have to be a gene for a person to be born gay. While in the womb developing, a imbalance of X and Y chromosomes can alter a person's sexuality.
Can you imagine being in the womb and hating vagina??? :tongue:
 

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Thats what he does... Remember last time he was here?

It's not the person posting the thread that is offensive to me. It's the way it's titled and the way absolutes are given even though tests for and against the thought of a 'gay gene' or if people choose to be gay have been largely inconclusive. There are absolutely no proofs behind either side.

That being said I agree with Tim. The is no evidence that homosexuality is simply genetic. There is no evidence that is has absolutely nothing to do with genetics either. They have not ruled it out yet and are still studying it.

Yes, I agree. Read my previous statement above to find why I have a problem with this thread.
 
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